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No, you can't identify as 'transracial'. But you can affirm your gender

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by LosPollosHermanos, Apr 6, 2022.

  1. tinman

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  2. JayGoogle

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    Sure, that's a fair question. For me it isn't.

    For me that means a family simply talking to a therapist about why their little boy is playing with barbie and wearing pink dresses and wondering if it is a phase or something else. That's the first thing that comes to mind when I hear 'Gender Affirming Healthcare' but it sounds like in some states like Alabama this won't be a possibility anymore.
     
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    their poo flinging IS their contribution
     
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    And why not transracialism?

    Picture Ludwig Von Thannhausen, age 18. He lives in suburban Chicago with his native German parents who brought him to America as a baby. He has blond hair, blue eyes, and looks like a young man born in Oberpfaffenhofen who also happens to be white.

    But Von Thannhausen can’t get enough of things black.

    He is obsessed with the Harlem Renaissance. He knows the literature of Langston Hughes better than Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, the paintings of Aaron Douglas more than Max Ernst, and the music of Duke Ellington deeper than Richard Wagner.

    His heroes stretch from Frederick Douglass to the Tuskegee Airmen to Denzel Washington. He listens to everything from Motown to Parliament Funkadelic to Prince to Kanye West.

    He dreams of majoring in black studies at Howard University in Washington, D.C., a historically black college. In fact, he’s applying as a black student and seeks scholarships intended for black applicants.

    Von Thannhausen resembles a recruit for the Aryan Nation, but he said the secret words: “I identify as black.”

    Who are we to disagree? If that’s his identity, that’s his identity.

    And if his good grades, decent SAT scores, and impressive baseball record land him a spot at Howard, plus a $50,000 minority scholarship, then who are we to say that he is not really black?

    But what would we say to the kid who actually is black (you know: dark skin, dark hair, etc.), applies to Howard, and misses out on admission, a scholarship, or both? If not for Von Thannhausen, those blessings would be hers.

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    He/she identifies as a baby. Respect it you bigots!



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    I'm also going to point out that a child playing with toys or wanting to wear clothes of a different gender might not really be an issue.

    One of my young cousins who I helped raise. When she was between 8-10 really wanted to play with toys that were generally considered for boys, things like Matchbox cars and male superhero action figures. Her parents were fine with it and I even encouraged it by buying her toys like that (I guess that makes me a groomer). Now at 17 she is definitely a woman and has no issues, at least none she's discussed with me, regarding her gender. She is also comfortable with friends who are gay although she is not.

    As a martial arts instructor I frequently teach girls who are doing what is normally considered a "male" activity. Many of these girls have the reputation as a "tomboy" for wanting to do a sport where they fight. As a coach one of the big things I do with my female competitors is to work on making them more aggressive. More forceful in their techniques and to be blunt, more violent. In our culture such traits are considered to be masculine. Based upon all the handwringing we're hearing on this issue encouraging someone to not act with what our culture considers their "gender" is indoctrination and grooming.

    I'm not aware though of any of my students wanting to transition because of my teaching. As I said I've had a trans student but she came to Judo before I knew her. I've had Lesbian students including one's who came out at the same time they were my students. I've yet to hear any of my students claim that my teaching had anything with that. What I've heard is that my teaching made them more confident about who they really were to come out to parents and friends about their sexual orientation.
     
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    Transgenderism is not a choice, it's genetic.

    Transracialism is a choice.
     
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    My family is racially mixed, so we (by which I mean the rest of us, because I'm just white) deal with racial identity issues all the time. Depending on how darkly tinted a member is, we might get called white, or passing, or mixed, or black. We also get told we're not white enough, or black enough, or Chinese enough. Some of us also get misidentified as Cuban, or Mediterranean, or Indian, of Filipino, or Hawaiian. Our smidge of Native American heritage is met with skepticism. And in this multi-racial stew, our nationalities and our cultural heritages are often questioned, and the relationships between us are sometimes doubted or condemned. Everyone wants to have an opinion on what race(s) we are when it's none of their business. I tell my kids to self-identify how they feel and to tell everyone else to **** off.

    I guess for this reason, I don't have any condemnation for folks who want to adopt some other race for themselves. It doesn't really hurt you to leave an imposter alone, and there will never be so many as to cause a problem. If someone wants to tell you they're Korean or Black or whatever, there is some need of theirs driving them. If they're trolling, they feed on the resistance; if they're sincere, you risk treading on hidden identities and/or psychological traumas. I can understand the desire of minority groups to protect their identities from mockery, but trying to tell other people who they can or cannot be ain't helping.
     
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    These are separate issues and not analogous.
     
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    There isn't a clear cut way to determine choice from "genetics". Lefty sociologists and scientists have been pounding the table that there isn't a "race gene" and arguing it's more a social construct.

    Now gender is being declared as a social construct with similar sociologists rewriting the definitions of male and female in order to strain legitimacy.

    If we had a highly accurate ways to prove a person's assertions with what they say they are, it would go a long way to reduce the troll attempts that thoroughly exposes how thin the current framework is, where erring on the side of caution just isn't enough.
     
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    There's enough studies that show transgender brains are different from cisgender brains to demonstrate at the very least, it's not a "choice"
     
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    I'm not saying all transgender are choosing their gender rather it's logistically and practically difficult to prove fraud for cisgender people posing as trans.
     
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    So far that's not been an issue.
     
  14. Invisible Fan

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    Is that the official position? Both sides are pushing absolutes a bit too hard.
     
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    your position is genes are mutable, but melanin is not?
     
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    cisgender is a slur
     
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    Lol how so? This sounds like absolute nonsense.
     
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    For who?

    Didn't get the memo on that
     
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    Transgenders have been using their choice of bathrooms for hundreds of years. Only now is this issue being raised? Seriously?
     
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    Being transgender is not a choice - that's the reality. I know you disagree with that, and it's your right to believe what you want.
     

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