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Breaking: FBI raiding Mar-a-Lago

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  1. mdrowe00

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    ...you don't get out much, do you?;)
     
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  2. deb4rockets

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    The scariest part of all is when that cult leader is a narcissistic sociopath.

    A Narcissistic Sociopath is considered one of the most dangerous, psychologically disturbed kinds of people.

    Look at the traits below, and it's Trump 100%

    A driven quest for power. If a narcissistic sociopath cares about anything other than himself, it is destructive power and control over people.

    Behaviors that seek love and admiration. To be sure, this isn't needy love. It's not even emotional love. It's superficial. A narcissistic sociopath sees love and admiration as power tools to manipulate and dominate (Do Sociopaths Even Have Feelings?).

    No apologies, no guilt, no remorse under any circumstance. A sociopathic narcissist believes that she is a gift to the world who makes it richer and more colorful. Therefore, her calculated, even cruel actions are always justified.

    Invincibility. The narcissistic variety of sociopath believes he is indomitable. Even punishment and prison can't stop him. They're merely part of the game.

    Wholly self-serving. The needs and wants of others are insignificant and undeserving of consideration.

    Act as the producer, director, and only actor of his own show. The narcissistic sociopath casts people in roles that increase his power and sense of importance and when bored, casts them aside.
     
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  3. No Worries

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    Infowars Host Owen Shroyer Pleads Guilty To Jan. 6 Capitol Riot Charge

    The longtime sidekick of conspiracy theorist Alex Jones pleaded guilty to entering and remaining on restricted grounds.

    A host of the conspiracy network Infowars pleaded guilty Friday to one misdemeanor charge related to his involvement in the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol attack.

    Owen Shroyer changed his plea to guilty in a Washington, D.C., courtroom Friday morning for a charge of entering and remaining on restricted grounds. Prosecutors agreed to drop three other misdemeanor charges against him in exchange for the plea, according to court records.

    “Your client agrees and acknowledges that the charges to be dismissed at the time of sentencing were based in fact,” the plea agreement addressed to Shroyer’s attorney, Norm Pattis, reads.

    His change-of-plea decision was first reported Tuesday. As part of his plea, Shroyer has also agreed to cooperate with authorities on an “additional investigation.”

    The plea agreement reads: “Your client agrees to allow law enforcement agents to review any social media accounts operated by your client for statements and postings in and around January 6, 2021, prior to sentencing.”

    Shroyer, a longtime host at Infowars and sidekick to the platform’s owner, Alex Jones, was charged in August 2021 for his involvement in the Capitol riot. Shroyer was seen on video that was later posted to Infowars showing him in restricted areas of the Capitol grounds, according to charging documents.

    Shroyer faces up to six months in prison and a fine of up to $9,500, according to court records. His sentencing date has been set to Sep. 12.​

    Jack Smith keeps flipping witnesses upward, as Donald Trump flips out

    Earlier this week Jack Smith “flipped” two people involved in the fake elector plot, by giving them limited immunity and having them testify to the grand jury. One of them was a guy named Gary Michael Brown, who worked for the Trump campaign. Now the New York Times says that Brown’s supervisor, Michael Roman, is also in talks to cooperate and testify. This is how the game works at the very end stage.

    Everyone insists they’re not going to cooperate, and maybe they even believe it. But then they come up against the deadline for either cooperating or getting indicted, and some of them always choose to cooperate. This in turn weakens the positions of some of the other people involved, who then decide that they also need to cut a cooperation deal.

    Jack Smith reportedly gave everyone involved in the Trump 2020 election plot a deadline of June 30th to fish or cut bait. That’s just five days away. At this point it’s just a matter of the stragglers deciding which side of the fence they want to be on when the gate closes and indictments come down.

    Of course this comes even as Alex Jones’ sidekick Owen Shroyer, first charged a year and a half ago, is now cutting a cooperating plea deal of his own. This gives Jack Smith and the DOJ access to his communications with everyone involved in the 2020 election plot. It also places pressure on people like Jones to consider swiftly cutting deals of their own. We’re now just a matter of days before we start finding out who decided to flip, and who decided to get indicted and go down with the ship.

    Speaking of going down, Donald Trump appears to have a sense of just how quickly this is all folding in on him. His social media posts keep growing even more frantic than ever, as if he thinks he’s running out of time. This comes even as his House Republican allies are now trying every distraction they can possibly think of – not that such antics are going to have any impact on what’s coming. And it sure looks like it’s coming soon.​
     
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  4. NewRoxFan

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    Sharpie solution...

     
  5. Commodore

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    Ah, yes, Trump the whistleblower. 69-D parcheesi.
     
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  7. Amiga

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    I only break bad, very bad law, risking my own freedom and gigantic wealth for YOU and YOUR children benefits.
     
  8. NewRoxFan

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    vivek, greenwald, wsj editorial, and commodore, how’d I know it would be a ridiculous defense of trump law breaking?
     
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  9. Xopher

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    "Your honor, esteemed members of the Jury, I ask you who among us has not incited an insurrection, kept classified information and showed it to others? Who has not raw dogged a p*rn star while their whife was at home with their infant son? I ask who has not sexaully assaulted a woman in a department store dressing toom? Who hasn't tried to overturn an election? People, if the condom doesn't fit, you must acquit."
     
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  10. rocketsjudoka

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    I’ve give Greenwald a pass on this but I don’t recall Ramaswamy or the WSJ editorial board being very concerned about the espionage act in previous cases.
     
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    List of witnesses against Trump cannot be secret in documents case, judge rules

    The federal judge presiding over the criminal prosecution of Donald Trump in the classified documents case ruled against the government in her first pre-trial order on Monday, denying a request from federal prosecutors to file a list of potential witnesses against the former US president under seal.

    “The government’s motion does not explain why filing the list with the court is necessary; it does not offer a particularized basis to justify sealing the list from public view,” the US district court judge Aileen Cannon wrote.
    The ruling from Cannon means that the list of 84 witnesses who may testify against Trump at trial would be made available publicly and offer clues about the case prosecutors are bringing, unless the government files a new motion with a detailed rationale for submitting it under seal.

    When Trump was arraigned in federal district court in Miami earlier this month, the magistrate judge overseeing the court appearance ruled that Trump and his co-defendant, his valet Walt Nauta, were prohibited from talking to certain witnesses about the case other than through their lawyers.

    The government as a result filed a two-page motion last week requesting to file the list of witnesses under seal, in which they cited the magistrate judge’s order and the fact that Trump and Nauta’s lawyers had not objected, as the rationale for not making the list public.

    But that was insufficient basis to file the list in secret, Cannon said in her ruling, noting that a coalition of numerous media organizations that include the Guardian had also asked her to deny the motion.

    The early rulings from Cannon – a judge with relative inexperience – in the Trump classified documents case are being closely watched after she previously disrupted the criminal investigation that preceded the case with several rulings that were favorable to the former president.

    After the FBI executed a court-approved search of Mar-a-Lago resort last year, Cannon for months tied up the investigation by appointing a special master to review the documents seized from the property, until an appeals court ruled she did not have such authority and overturned her.

    Separately on Monday, Cannon also formally started the complex US government process for classified information to be presented at trial by scheduling the first hearing to decide timings for 14 July – a slower timeline than the government had proposed.

    Trump was charged with retaining national defense information, including US nuclear secrets and plans for US retaliation in the event of an attack, which means his case will be tried under the rules laid out in the Classified Information Procedures Act, or Cipa.

    The statute was passed in the 1980s to protect the government against the “graymail” problem in national security cases, a tactic where the defense threatens to reveal classified information at trial, betting that the government would prefer to drop the charges rather than risk disclosure.

    Cipa essentially requires the defense to disclose what classified information they want to use at trial in advance, so the courts can decide whether to add restrictions. If the government feels the restrictions are not enough, they can decide whether they still want to continue with the case.

    The first step under Cipa is for the judge to schedule a hearing with prosecutors and defense lawyers under section 2 of the statute, to establish a timetable for the discovery of classified materials to the defense, as well as their use at trial.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/26/donald-trump-witnesses-classified-documents-judge
     
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  12. NewRoxFan

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    CNN has the tape…

     
  13. Xerobull

    Xerobull ...and I'm all out of bubblegum
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    So when does he grab her by the P
     
  14. NewRoxFan

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    LOL…

     
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    The funny thing, the indictments reported all this. It’s additive hearing trumps own voice mouthing what we knew. A perfect test of trumps boast that he could shoot someone and people would still vote for him… here you hear him confess on tape to espionage, and the maga cult still defends him.
     
  16. Amiga

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    The MAGA right, and to an extent, their media darlings, have essentially shifted from 'he's not guilty of a crime' to 'it's a crime, but the law is bad, and he did it for us'.
     
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  17. MadMax

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    Man, **** that guy
     
  18. mdrowe00

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    ...wow.

    That's all very informative.

    And here all this time, I just thought that the Donald was your average, ordinary regular old piece of $h!t in orange drag...;)
     
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  19. Andre0087

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    Anytime a Republican brings up this is off the record or don't quote me it never ends well.

     
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    clearly deep fake
     

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