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Comprehensive disaster thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by KingCheetah, Jul 10, 2022.

  1. rocketsjudoka

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    Whether he was well meaning or not given the risks it is still bad he cut corners like that. I’ve had clients who were non profits and felt they could do things like cut corners on code and safety regulations because they were doing good things like low cost housing. I’ve told
    Them it doesn’t work that way. Cutting safety to save money is still bad if you’re doing it to just get extra profit or to reinvest the savings into more research.

    I still think that people should be able to risk their lives doing things like this and I don’t begrudge Stockton Rush for building the sub nor the wealthy for paying a lot of money for an experience beyond the reach of most
    People. What I do think is a problem so when the cost of something going wrong is born by taxpayers. If it’s understood they governments will rescue them then it make sense that government should have regulation on them.
     
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  2. Buck Turgidson

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    Jose Altuve is listed at 1.68m tall and 75kg. How many Altuve's is the "runaway black hole"?

    The "runaway black hole" is 200,000 light years wide. How many Altuves is that?

    Show your math.
     
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  3. Yung-T

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    But there's absolutely zero room for "although flawed" or "too ambitious", especially when we have learned that he for example:
    • fired and sued an employee that drew attention to safety issues
    • installed a window only licenses for 1300m depth, got warned by the producer but then refused to purchase a window licensed for 4000m
    • got multiple written warnings from the submersible community, notifying him that his choice of carbon fiber is not suitable and extremely dangerous
    • the video I linked yesterday, where they reached the ocean ground last year and then realized one of the thrusters was installed backwards
    • says in interviews that people worry way too much about safety and should stay at home if they don't like risk
    You can say that he was an ambitious guy and innovative mind, but he and the company should absolutely be criticized for the gigantic negligence and arrogance that led to this disaster.
     
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  5. Salvy

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    I don't think he and the company shouldn't get critized, they should but the levels have reached straight clowning him and the rich folks on board. I myself was quick to judge until looking into it further and realizing the CEO wasn't just simply a starter up looking to make money in any way possible. He was legitimately contributing to a scientific field. Yes, he should have hired 50 year old white guys..... He should have also listened to the employee's that drew attention to the safety issues and he should have gone the extra steps to ensure the right materials and certifications. But he didn't, and nothing can change that now. He paid the consequences and unfortunately innocent people perished because of it. However the coverage and social media has been unfair in not pointing out his contributions and how his irresponsibility was also in ways fueled by his passion in something we know very little of. Very few people ever reach the heights he did for a passion in a certain area that is good for humanity in general, he should get critiqued for his mistakes that's for sure but its not crazy to also show respect and admiration for his vision and contribution. Had he done things right he could have done so much more.
     
  6. Buck Turgidson

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    No, just no.

    Nothing about OceanGate was "visionary" or anything of the sort, it was cobbled-together horsesh!t that multiple people told him was a disaster waiting to happen. He was an arrogant f**kwit whose hubris got innocent people killed. The End.
     
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  7. KingCheetah

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    The front of the platform holding the submersible Titan went underwater for unknown reasons during an OceanGate Expedition mission last month. A crew, including OceanGate's CEO, Stockton Rush, prepared to dive under it to raise it. Photo Credit: Arnie Weissmann
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    Travel Weekly editor in chief Arnie Weissmann joined an OceanGate Expeditions mission to the Titanic wreck in May, a month before its submersible, the Titan, disappeared on a similar itinerary.

    https://www.travelweekly.com/North-America-Travel/Mission-Titanic-part-1
     
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    Physical dimensions are irrelevant. The singularity squeezes any physical dimensions to a point. That's kind of the whole thing about a black hole. You could technically fit all the mass in the universe into a black hole if you could get it all in the same spot.

    Mass of Earth's sun is roughly 1.98×10^30 kg. Mass of said black hole is about 20,000,000 times the mass of the sun.

    So you would need this many Altuves if you want a mass of Altuves that weighs roughly the same:

    Screenshot_20230625_144405_Chrome.jpg

    I dont know how to say a number with that many significant digits, so thats the best I can do. I dont know how many Altuves that is, but if you put them all in the same spot, they'd colapse into an Altuve-powered runaway black hole - the Altuvelarity.
     
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  11. Buck Turgidson

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    + for the effort
     
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    He obviously forgot to carry the 1.

    What a dumb ass..............
     
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    Probably better an implosion (instant death) versus loss of control (slow painful death waiting to be rescued).

    Crazy to think how dangerous underwater travel is compared to space.
     
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  16. B-Bob

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    Given the cosmonauts and shuttle astronauts we've lost in very limited space travel (yes, more on launches and returns that just flying through space), I'm not so sure.
     
  17. rocketsjudoka

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    I don’t know the stats of if there have been more deaths in space travel or in very deep sea (under two miles of depth) exploration. From what I recall more people have been to the moon than they have to the Challenger Deep.
     
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  18. Ottomaton

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    Also, I dont think we are comparing like-to-like. If we ever get to the point that we have B-list wanna-be space entrepeneurs putting together slapdash hoopty-rockets in their backyard shed for private trips to space, I imagine the saftey record will swing away from space.

    When entities of comprable weight to NASA go deep underwater, they seem to have a pretty solid safety record, from memory. I think the. FAA licensing requirements for space flight weed out a lot of attempts in a way that has no comparable mechanism in the deep ocean.

    Someone correct me if Im wrong...
     
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  19. B-Bob

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    :D
    A-list tho, technically.
     
  20. B-Bob

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    article suggested it was a suicide. :( Ugh.
     

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