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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. dmoneybangbang

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    A more pragmatic, US exceptionalism view:

     
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  2. JuanValdez

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    I don't know wtf is going on. I've always been a little sus of this Wagner guy just because the crazy **** he says is so delightful to American ears -- feels like it has to be war propaganda of some kind. But if they are in insurrection now, well Prigozhin seems like a terrible person and him actually succeeding seems like the worst possible outcome. Him failing but destabilizing Russia's war effort in the process though would be alright.
     
  3. Ubiquitin

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    Garbage leaders making garbage propaganda.
     
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    I am disappoint.

     
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    Basically sounds like Wagner Unit is getting disbanded and turned into a part of the Russian Army, Prigoshin exiled and losing all control.
     
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  7. dmoneybangbang

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    It's certainly a balance.... From a Biden US foreign policy perspective they want to destabilize Russia enough to where they "sue for peace" with Ukraine but not so much that a Russian warlord topples the regime and possibly controls Russia's vast nuclear arsenal.
     
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  9. Amiga

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    So head fake? How much gold he got?

    Wagner Group chief says he ordered his Russian mercenaries to halt march on Moscow | AP News.

    The head of the private Russian military company Wagner will move to neighboring Belarus as part of deal to defuse rebellion tensions and the criminal case against him will be closed, the Kremlin said Saturday.

    Yevgeny Prigozhin’s troops who joined him in the uprising will not face prosecution and those who did not will be offered contracts by the Defense Ministry, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.

    After the deal was reached, Prigozhin said he was ordering his troops to halt their march on Moscow and retreat to field camps in Ukraine, where they have been fighting alongside Russian troops.

    The deal appeared to defuse a dramatically escalating crisis that represented the most significant challenge to President Vladimir Putin in his more than two decades in power.

    The deal was mediated by Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko, a staunch Putin ally.

    A rebellious Russian mercenary commander said Saturday he ordered his troops to halt their march on Moscow and retreat to field camps in Ukraine, appearing to defuse a dramatically escalating crisis that represented the most significant challenge to President Vladimir Putin in his more than two decades in power.

    Moscow had braced for the arrival of forces from the Wagner Group, a private army led by Yevgeny Prigozhin that has been fighting alongside regular Russian troops in Ukraine, by erecting checkpoints with armored vehicles and troops on the city’s southern edge. Red Square was shut down, and the mayor urged motorists to stay off some roads.

    But Prigozhin announced that while his men were just 200 kilometers (120 miles) from Moscow, he decided to turn them back to avoid “shedding Russian blood.”

    He did not say whether the Kremlin had responded to his demand to oust Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu. There was no immediate comment from Putin’s government.

    The turnaround followed a statement from Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko’s office saying he had negotiated a deal with Prigozhin after discussing the issue with Putin. Prigozhin agreed to halt the advance in a proposed settlement including security guarantees for Wagner troops, Lukashenko’s office said, without elaborating.

    Putin had vowed harsh consequences for organizers of the armed uprising led by his onetime protege, who brought his forces out of Ukraine, seized a key military facility in southern Russia and advanced toward Moscow.

    In a televised speech to the nation, Putin called the rebellion a “betrayal” and “treason.”

    “All those who prepared the rebellion will suffer inevitable punishment,” Putin said. “The armed forces and other government agencies have received the necessary orders.”

    It wasn’t immediately clear what concessions, if any, Putin may have made to Prigozhin.

    If he accedes to Shoigu’s ouster, Prigozhin would emerge from the crisis as a clear winner in a major blow to Putin’s authority. If Prigozhin drops that demand, Putin could award him with more lucrative government contracts like those on which he has built his fortune.

    However, it would be awkward and politically damaging for Putin to backtrack after branding Prigozhin a backstabbing traitor.

    Some observers speculated that Prigozhin could make concessions such as putting the Wagner Group under federal authority, or he could shift the force’s activities back to Africa, where his mercenaries have been active in recent years.

    Early Saturday, Prigozhin’s private army appeared to control the military headquarters in Rostov-on-Don, a city 660 miles (over 1,000 kilometers) south of Moscow, which runs Russian operations in Ukraine, Britain’s Ministry of Defense said.

    A nighttime video from the city posted on Russian messaging app channels showed Wagner troops getting ready to withdraw, hailed by shouts of “thank you!” and “well done!” in an apparent expression of relief following expectations of a bloody battle. Earlier videos had showed some residents yelling at Wagner mercenaries to leave.

    Wagner troops and equipment also were in Lipetsk province, about 360 kilometers (225 miles) south of Moscow.

    Authorities declared a “counterterrorist regime” in Moscow and its surrounding region, enhancing security and restricting some movement. On the southern outskirts, troops erected checkpoints, arranged sandbags and set up machine guns. Crews dug up sections of highways to slow the march.

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    The 62-year-old Prigozhin, a former convict, has longstanding ties to Putin and won lucrative Kremlin catering contracts that earned him the nickname “Putin’s chef.”

    He gained attention in the U.S. when he and a dozen other Russian nationals were charged with operating a covert social media campaign aimed at fomenting discord ahead of Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential election victory. Wagner has sent military contractors to Libya, Syria, several African countries and eventually Ukraine.

    Even with the confrontation seemingly defused, it appeared likely to further hinder Moscow’s war effort in Ukraine, as Kyiv’s forces probed Russian defenses in the initial stages of a counteroffensive.

    Orysia Lutsevych, the head of the Ukraine Forum at the Chatham House think tank in London, said the infighting could create confusion and potential division among Russian military forces.

    “Russian troops in Ukraine may well now be operating in a vacuum, without clear military instructions, and doubts about whom to obey and follow,″ Lutsevych said. “This creates a unique and unprecedented military opportunity for the Ukrainian army.”

    Western countries monitored developments closely. U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken spoke with his counterparts in the other G7 countries and the European Union’s foreign affairs representative, his spokesman said, adding that Blinken “reiterated that support by the United States for Ukraine will not change.”

    Latvia and Estonia, two NATO countries that border Russia, said they were increasing security at their borders.




     
  10. NewRoxFan

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    How much do you have to hate America to even suggest this?

     
  11. Space Ghost

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    What does this have to do with hating America? Do you not think anyone who supports Ukraine would want America to intervene and attempt to over throw Putin?

    Yes, MTG is trash, however clearly you're looking for a reason to get outraged over nothing.
     
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    You follow the worst people in this world then you wonder why you've never been right about anything. WTF has Mario been right about
     
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    Money into your account and a place to stay in Belarus. Great view front your 40th floor balcony.
     
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  15. Space Ghost

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    I don't follow Mario. Why do you keep clowning yourself like this?

    I understand what kind of person Mario is. While I don't have a high opinion of him, he certainly isn't one of the worst people in the world.
     
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    Clowning myself? Mind sharing what braindead conspiracies I've spewed that I embarrassed myself? Thank you
     
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    Did you read her tweet? She is suggesting that the US is behind the coup attempt.
     

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