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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. Amiga

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    I have no idea whats going on but I still have an opinion!
     
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    How I hope that’s true. Right now, it appears that who controls Russia is on a razor’s edge. A very large percentage of the Russian military is in occupied Ukraine and hasn’t exactly been effective throughout Putin’s invasion of the country. The most effective forces, for quite some time now, has seemed to be Wagner, about 25,000 mercenaries under Prigozhin’s control.

    What seems to have set this internal conflict off is an attempt to bring Wagner and it’s forces under the control of the Russian military leadership. That made Prigozhin go ballistic. He says his Wagner army is on it’s way to Moscow and will destroy any attempt to prevent it, and supposedly attempts have been made. His “army” aimed at the military leadership, not Putin, according to Prigozhin. It’s difficult to find out if this is a made up fantasy by Prigozhin or is actually playing out for real, which if true could turn into a major internal armed conflict. Even civil war.

    Meanwhile, it’s good news for Ukraine. Good as long as Putin doesn’t uncork another act of madness. His military has control of Europe’s largest nuclear reactor complex, with fighting going on in the area. Like the big dam that Russia destroyed, creating a catastrophe Putin blamed on Ukraine, of course, a worse catastrophe is not an impossibility.
     
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    A reminder: There are no good guys here. On one side you have a guy running a private army with a bunch of convicts in the ranks who have committed war crimes in Syria and Ukraine, including raping and killing civilians. He also ran a bunch of troll farms during the 2016 election. On the other side is Putin and his ruling class and security forces. As Garry Kasparov has said, the Russian state died years ago and this is just a group of mobsters fighting over the carcass.

    What's scary, of course, is that there are 6,000 nukes in Russia, some in the Southern District that Wagner apparently has some control of now. (Being Russian nukes, you wonder how many would actually work--but still.) Then you have Chechnya and Georgia and every other place where the Russians rule by force who could seek to take advantage of the disarray. Kaliningrad seemingly has no military left. Opposition in Belarus may try to use the Russian confusion to start something there. Then there's Transnistria. There's a greater than zero chance that Russia fractures and we're left with a bunch of micro-states. And don't forget, there's China over there in the East eyeing a bunch of Russian land where no ethnic Russians live.

    This could go south really fast and in a big way.

    Meanwhile, Biden remains publicly silent which is the best thing for a US President to do right now. And boy, am I glad he's President at this moment. (The withdrawal from Afghanistan looks more and more like the right strategic play--imagine being bogged down there with everything going on in Ukraine, Russia, and China. We'd have limited manpower and capacity to respond to events.)
     
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    If only Trump's steady hand was still on the tiller.
     
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    With subtitles.
     
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    Donald Trump would have stopped this within an hour!

    By sending troops to protect Putin.
     
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    This is all western propaganda to distract us from Hunter Biden. Or was that oceangate? I'm having trouble keeping up.

    We need the Ministry of Truth ASAP to tell us what to think.

    I'm pro Putin here. I don't trust this Vladimir Harkonnen looking mf.
     
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    wow, that escalated quickly
     
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    Russland stellt Eilantrag für Aufnahme in die NATO
    24.6.23

     
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    I hope they both lose.
     
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    so russia went from "liberating" the ukrainians from neo-nazis to possibly being over taken by one?
     
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