Strategy of drafting "twitch" athletes over good basketball players

Couldn't agree more. Generally speaking very athletic players tend to have low to mid bbiq and again generally don't play winning bb. So what is this are we building a winning team or acrobatic basketball show team? I'd rather have a Desmond Bane, Paul George type of player than Jalen and Amen. If we are not moving up to get Scoot we 100% have to get Miller. I understand that we might not find our franchise player yet but Amen isn't that. You are salivating over a wrong dude. This is anxiety talking. Oh we've taken Jalen and Jabari now we don't have any luxury to miss again who is that kid that jumps a bit higher than others? WE HAVE TO GET HIM!

 

Do you try to be annoying or is it unintentional?I said almost all. I'm sure if you were to compare the list of some consensus top 75 there would be an overwhelming imbalance. Cool you listed a few.

Here's a few quick ones to counter:
Jordan
Lebron
Kareem
Bill Russell
Magic
Wilt
Shaq
Duncan
Kobe
Hakeem
Oscar
Durant
Karl Malone
Kevin Garnett
Moses
Dr. J
David Robinson
Dirk
Barkley
Giannis
Wade


I could keep going

All of those guys had some physical advantages relative to their peers paired with some elite skill. And yes, being 7 feet is a physical advantage.

Even guys like Isiah Thomas and Iverson had elite quickness and agility. It's not guaranteed to be an all time great (see Stromile Swift), but having physical advantages are meaningful in the NBA. It's stupid to dismiss it as just an unimportant thing.

 

this is what you said Almost every single all time great with exception to maybe Curry. it was a simple question and looks like it triggered you for whatever reason

 

Jalen Green is more skilled than Desmond Bane. Jalen Green could do Desmond Bane's role(3 and D role player) better than he can do Green's role (primary self creator)

Paul George was a great athlete before his injuries.

Have no clue where the notion that Green isn't skilled comes from. He'd be drafted lower than Kuminga of he was just a Uber athlete.

 

LOL, how do you even say this without laughing? Jalen Green is not capable of doing either of those things at an NBA level. He shoots the 3 like an average NBA center and is one of the worst defensive players in the entire league. He couldn't do the 3 and D role any better than he could do his current role of lead chucker and tank commander. Thus far, those are the only roles he's shown any talent for.

 

I didn't say that he wasn't skilled. He's more athletic than he's skilled since he knows that he's athletic he heavily relies on his athleticism. I'm gonna ask you a question. His rookie year 3pt fg% was .343, sophomore 3pt fg% was .338. What is your stance gonna be if he shoots .34 again in his 3rd season?

 

You have to break it down when you say twitch athletes. There are great leapers and there's elite first step players. The ones you put your money on are the quick first step players. That's because of the muscles that makes you great leaper (quad dominant) are different than the quick first step (posterior chain). And yes there are players that are good at both which makes them generational.

Another topic is 1 legged vs 2 legged jumpers .

 

It's not an either-or for any player. They all have certain degrees of athletic traits, and certain degrees of skill traits, and both can vary through hard work over the length of an NBA career, although some are very hard to change (court vision), and some are impossible to change (height, length, twitchiness).

Go and watch exclusively clips of Amen's passing. Not his finishes at the hoop. At a certain level let your eyes filter out the competition, because they don't really matter. Those passes would work in any system, across all leagues. That degree of split second decision making translates. It's the primary reason Amen is view higher than his twin brother as a prospect.

 

Yes, almost

 

That he's still more skilled than Desmond Bane

 

So you'll continue to state that Jalen could be a better 3 and D player than a 40% 3 point shooter and stellar defender while he's shooting 34% from 3 and being an absolute embarrassment defensively?

I honestly had no doubt that your blind love ran that deep.

 

Bane's 3pt % is .425 (7 attempts) he's an extremely efficient, reliable shooter and overall a very efficient player. How's Jalen gonna be relevant in the future if the only thing he can consistently do is attacking the rim and getting fouls? That's rn the only thing he can consistently do. Besides i don't understand why we call nonshooter guards skilled. Isn't that what they are supposed to do?

If you watch football, Right now, Jalen is Ben Arfa while Bane is Jesus Navas. JN was limited but played winning football, won cups. BA was one of the most skilled footballers ever but unemployed now.

 

If you watched Basketball you would realize Bane and Green have entirely different roles.

These are the majority of the type of three point attempts Green takes:


These are the type of threes Banes takes:

 

Sure they have different roles, Jalen is a mindless chucker, Bane is a quality 3 and D player

But sure, we'll find a way to neutralize it, lets only look at Green's "open" or "wide open" 3's.....where he hit 33% of them.

Face it, your hero is an unskilled elite level athlete. It really is okay for you to admit it. There's hope that some day he develops NBA skills, you don't have to pretend he already has them.

 

8 hours to go.

 

There is so much factually wrong with this post. The fact that Amen didn’t play in the GLeague aside, both Green and Thompson have talent,skills, size and athleticism.

 

On the skill part: Amen's passing/playmaking in OTE translating to NBA remains to be seemed. Tyty and Nix also did playmaking and passing in G-league, and technically is in their player profile, but didn't necessary translate. For Tyty (at least not yet).

On the skill ball over atheltic ball; players who have shown early development in skills could also mean they have shown and continue to grow in that area. If over-valuing things like quick twitch over skill ball; then guys like Austin Reeves would be passed on.


Recent examples of athletic busts include guys like Wiseman; then can date back to the days of Rocket's old T-will, James 'the Flight' White, or Stromile Swift.




Current FO seems to have a 'type'. Looks to start overvaluing aThElTiCiM and positional size. Those traits are valuable, but you never want an inbalance.

• Athleticism (over skill),
• Positional Size (over quickness and positional awareness),
• and 'hooper' (over team ball). Usman for example is not hopper (and doesn't look to get his) but in Europe was a very good systems guy. But in Silas' wild wild west (each for their own), selfless ball ends up hurting you.

Some of things they're looking for is too much like Weaver/Pistons. Bad part is Thunder/Cavs/Magic are the teams who still have their 'tank' coaches, whereas HOU and DET are the two teams that ended up having to switch coaches and pivot (already).

Rockets, if the food you've been eating is causing health issues, switch up the diet.​

 

I love the draft, brings out the gauntlet of true OnlyFans out of this forum.

You guys really should have moved to Cleveland and bought a LeBron James jersey by the 2024 draft.

 

Rockets is in the bottom (historically bad in top 5 worst seasons in franchise history dating back to San Diego). This is supposed pivot year. So pivot.


If other teams climbed out, be humble and look at other teams instead of keep doing the same things over and over again.

Rockets obviously knows it's 'sick'; so head coaching is first change. But taste in players matter too. What did Ime say when he got here. "shooters" and "vet point guard". The main traits for those are 'skills', experience, and bball IQ (not athleticism).

 

Agree and while he may have tremendous athletic skills, it's his ability to play against seasoned pros - particularly on defense - that will make or break him. This isn't the same as a Luka Donic who started playing professionally at 14 and had several years of experience under his belt when he was drafted. Amen is basically coming in at the junior collegiate level and has a ways to go. It all comes down to how well the team that drafts him can develop his basketball skills.