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Where do you draw the line - transgender

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by droxford, Feb 7, 2023.

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We all draw the line some where. Where do you draw the line?

  1. Society should refer to transgenders using their preferred pronouns

    21 vote(s)
    26.6%
  2. Definitions ("man", "woman", "gender", & "sex") should be changed/eliminated due to transgenders

    2 vote(s)
    2.5%
  3. It should be permissible for transgenders to share restroom/locker room with their identified gender

    15 vote(s)
    19.0%
  4. Transgenders should be able to participate in athletic & other competitions based on their identity

    6 vote(s)
    7.6%
  5. Transgenders should qualify for loans, grants, scholarships, & admissions based on their identity

    8 vote(s)
    10.1%
  6. Gender-specific organizations should be required to accept transgendrs based on their gender idntity

    8 vote(s)
    10.1%
  7. Historical medical records & birth certificats should be changed to only show transgenders' indntity

    4 vote(s)
    5.1%
  8. Transgenders <16 yrs should be able to hve sex-reassignmnt surgery/pubrty blockrs w/o parent consent

    1 vote(s)
    1.3%
  9. The U.S. government should provide finances for sex-reassigned surgeries and puberty-blocking drugs

    5 vote(s)
    6.3%
  10. None of the above

    56 vote(s)
    70.9%
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  1. SuraGotMadHops

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    ability to compete in WOMEN'S sports, and ability to use a WOMEN'S restroom. Don't leave out the important stuff kid. Trans people are not deprived of competing in sports or using the restroom.
     
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  2. NewRoxFan

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    In Ohio, there are 400,000 student athletes in school. Of those 400,000, six are trans.



     
  3. dmoneybangbang

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    Seems more like an issues with all the new chemicals that barely have to pass muster that are being introduced.... microplastics are literally everywhere from our blood stream to the bottom of the ocean.

    Evolutionary.... a society that had to grow its own food and had a more strenuous need for manual labor will produce a different type of man and woman than one where a lot of ones' basic needs are met which used to require a lot of brawn.
     
  4. dmoneybangbang

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    My mistake champ...... real important super stuff that will dictate that future of humanity.... WOMEN's sports and WOMEN's restroom.

    I'm glad conservatives care about softball and WNBA now, but I am less moved about the urgency of these issues as seems like these will just take care of themselves. BTW, I am opposed to biological males competing in WOMEN'S sports, but this is low on the totem pole. The conservative state governments have no problem forcing an adolescent to have a pregnancy but want to take away a family's right to have gender affirming care for their adolescent? Speaking of SPECIAL rights.
     
  5. SuraGotMadHops

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    Please say this to a female athlete near you and see how that goes over.
     
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    I just did and she said " You should stop thinking about teenagers genitalia, it's creepy"

    So SPECIAL rights for those who want to dictate your teenager having a child and dictate your decision for your teenager and gender affirming care. Big government conservatives.
     
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    I am guessing the 6/400,000 chance a female athlete competed against a trans athlete suggests this isn't that big of a problem. But hey, maybe she, her coach and her parents can require the athlete that won each event do a strip search to prove their gender.
     
  8. SuraGotMadHops

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    Lol, wait until one of those 6 wins their respective competition.
     
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  9. SuraGotMadHops

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    She's right, YOU should.
     
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    I agree that it's bad that a church leader could learn of child sexual abuse within the church and not be compelled to report it to authorities, especially if the abuse continues after the fact. It feels analogous to a priest hearing a confession whereby a congregant admits to feeling murderous rage toward another person before eventually killing them. In this hypothetical, I'd argue that the priest should be culpable in some way, too, for a crime they knew about and did not legally stop. The two-tiered approach to justice should stop when outright, real world harm is being committed within the faith.

    All of that said, we've had a two-tiered justice system, for better or worse, for religious groups throughout our history. Certain groups were allowed to avoid the draft because of their sincere pacifist convictions; Orthodox Jews cannot be fired for refusing to work on the Sabbath whereas a non-religious employee can be fired for not showing up on the same day. "Sincerely held beliefs" and all that. For as much as I think any attempts to stop civil gay marriage are loathsome, religious groups should be granted "special treatment" to refuse to perform homosexual weddings within the confines of their faith.

    There's a balance between the civil and the religious we've been trying to balance for nearly 250 years. I'm firmly on the side that we need to resist religious overtures into public and legal life while also protecting those groups so long as they're not harming others (and I mean in a tangible way. A church being against gay marriage in the abstract is not harmful on a societal scale). I basically don't listen to any criticism of trans folks that invokes "demons" or "Satan" because I don't think that person's rhetoric belongs in the legislative process.
     
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    i feel bad for riley gaines.

    These are the clowns the HRC employs, even makes a gollum like Cruz look good

     
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    One could have already, and I am sure riley gaines would have made a huge deal out of it. Since she hasn't, and the odds are so stacked against it (0.00000015) happening... I am guessing its not a big deal to anyone other than those people against trans people.
     
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    Don't conflate having a problem with trans men competing with women in sports with being "against trans people" generally. Libs really can't help but place everything in Bucket A or Bucket B with no attention to nuance or circumstance. If you aren't all-in on everything that has to do with trans people and what they want, then that means you are wholly against and you hate them, and you are a bigot, and probably a racist and fascist as well. Did I do that right?
     
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    No, your continual posting trying to separate them, remove their rights, and prevent them from "being in your face" does that.
     
  18. SuraGotMadHops

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    What rights specifically am I trying to remove?
     
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