If you end up with #4 and #10 in this draft and Bertrans you're doing pretty damn good. I just want a PG and Big. I'm pretty torn between Hendricks and Walker. Kinda want both but no need for two. PG's in this draft. I'm only sold on Scoot. He won't be there at 4. The others could be good but not sure if they are any better than TyTy.
Lively.......I'm seeing in mocks that the Mavs beat the Lakers to the punch and draft Lively before Lakers at #17 Udoka would love Dereck Lively......Blue Horseshoe loves Dereck Lively [ Wall Street]
Yea I actually like Black just as much as Amen and Cam. I wouldn't be mad if the Rockets chose him at #4 or traded back to get him. 6'7 PG and 7'0 wingspan (same as Amen). I love his court vision and playmaking. Good defender too but needs to work on his 3 point shot as well (30%).
Mavericks are prime candidates to lasso Ayton from the Suns. Much like the Blazers....the Mavs have to go big. That means no waiting on rooks to develop (like Wiseman. Kai Jones, Bagley, Mark Williams) and now Dereck Lively Martin and Tate would be young vets with hustle or athleticism on the cheap. Or they get shipped to the Suns in a 3-team deal involving Ayton to Mavs
Maybe but a number of picks right outside the top 3 are available in trade… #5, 6, 7, 9 and 10 all are available in trade. Those picks are not going to be given away, but it’s rare for them to be available. The #3 is available too, but so far no one has met the asking price. This draft is a little different because there are a group of about 5-10 teams that really believe in Scoot Henderson and will trade a whole lot to get him. Then there are another group of teams that believe Brandon Miller should go #2. There are less teams really covering him enough to overpay to get him at 2/3. Last, from what I have heard, there are a few teams that have Amen Thompson very highly rated - so there is a slim chance someone falls in love with him and trades up to #3 and takes him - leaving Brandon Miller for the Rockets. It’s a poor fit but I have heard Detroit really likes Amen Thompson. There is a chance for a lot of dominoes to fall starting at #2. Maybe someone moves up to #2 and takes Scoot Henderson - then Portland is on the board and they have to decide whether to take Miller or trade the pick to another team. Then the Rockets are left with Amen - unless they decide they would rather trade #4 for #6/11 and take Cam Whitmore at 6 and then someone else at 11. If they do that, do they still do the Mavericks trade for #10? Thursday has a chance to be really exciting. Every draft is important - but this is likely the last draft where the Rockets have a chance to get a potential star. Thompson or Whitmore - both have at least all star upside. Both will also help solidify how the team plays going forward.
Any of Tate, JC, Garuba, or KPJ would like fantastic next to Doncic and Irving. The Mavs need fresh, lively bodies to pair with their potential dynamite backcourt. But they don't need a rookie which won't move the needle at all.
When I look at the players possible available at #10 I get very excited and hope that short sighted win-now thinking doesn’t cloud judgment on having the chance to get two top tier prospects. If we can get two amazing prospects out of this draft, trade our non-core, and add vets, it doesn’t matter that we don’t have our picks the next 3 years. Last call for alcohol. Don’t pass on this last chance to draft the next difference-maker!
Fanspro trade works: Suns in: Bertans/Tate/Kenyon/ Mavs 2025 (1st Rd pick) x Mavs in: Ayton x Rockets in: Mavs 2023 (1st Rd pick #10) / Mavs 2027 (1st Rd pick) We might even throw in Garuba and/or JC with a pair of steak knives... more money to spend in free agency
Jason Kidd played on the same team as Kevin Martin Sr. for a few seasons so I can definitely see KMJ traded there. Along with #20 pick, that should be enough. Maybe throw in Tate, JC or Garuba but I think Rocket fans should pump the brakes on wanting to get rid of KPJ so easily. Not many players in history have put up 50 and 10. He's also a triple double threat on any given night. I'd like to see how he plays with good coaching on a non-tanking team, unless he gets traded for an All-Star caliber player.
Any chance the Rockets could drop to 6 and still get Amen? Suppose the Magic LOVE Whitmore for example, and Detroit doesn't need a PG.
Ignoring the fact that the Mavs don't even have their 2025 pick available for trade, the idea that they would trade 3 1sts for Ayton, a center on an albatross contract that was benched in the playoffs for a minimum backup two years in a row, is fantasy.
If we trade for #10, who are your top 10? 1) wemby 2) Scoot 3) Miller 4) Amen 5) Whitmore 6) Walker 7) Hendricks 8) Ausar 9) Black 10) Wallace Honorable mention: Bufkin & Dick
I am super high on Thompson and hope we land him. He has a big frame, is strong and skilled, and has amazing hops. Then add not only his vision, but ability to put the ball on the chest of his team-mate with either hand and from distance. There is something special in that combination of court vision and athletic ability. As you say, last chance to draft a star (hopefully for a long time), and I'll be at least marginally disappointed if Miller falls to 4 (though expect he will).
I don't think Walker and Ausar are going to be around at that point. I'd be ok with Hendricks, Black, or Wallace but I don't think Black will be around, and not sure about Hendricks, which may leave him or Wallace. The #10 pick isn't as "great" a pick as it seems. It's just a way to get rid of/consolidate some players/contracts in exchange for some assets and prayers while rolling the dice. They may go for someone like Dick, but if his shot doesn't come over with him, it's going to be a downer of a pick.
Maybe Lively? Would he be the next big man on the draft board? He's been showing a lot of touch on his visits. Nothing like adding rim protection in the post-Bruno Fernando era.
https://theathletic.com/4625939/2023/06/21/dallas-mavericks-free-agency-draft-preview/ Cato: You’re completely right about the incoming CBA, but that’s why, if I’m them, I would prefer a trade that moves off one of their larger salaries, brings back a rotation veteran and still nets them another first-rounder later on. A lot to ask, no doubt, but potentially possible. Like, what if the Mavericks could pull off the rumored trade with Atlanta that swaps Dāvis Bertāns and No. 10 for Clint Capela and No. 15? (Yahoo! Sports’ Jake Fischer reported the deal hasn’t progressed because the Hawks prefer including John Collins over Capela.) Capela is the ready-now center Dallas needs, and No. 15 gives them another shot at the cost-controlled, rookie-scale player. Hollinger: I would do that trade in a heartbeat, and I think that is a total laugher for Dallas. I’d also be shocked if the Hawks did that trade without other strings attached; Hardaway is BargainBin Bogdanovic. If it’s John Collins instead of Capela … I actually might still do it as Dallas. I think Collins’ role has been totally miscast in Atlanta, but he’s a really effective rim runner who should thrive next to Luka. The reason his numbers have declined in Atlanta is that Capela took that job. Historically, the difference between picking 10th and 15th just isn’t that large, certainly not large enough to offset trading a backup for a starter. Sometimes, the player you want at 10 might still be there at 15. The other way Dallas could pull this off is trading down as part of a salary dump. For example, the team could move from 10 to 20 and send Bertāns into Houston’s cap space, vaporizing enough cap money to give the Mavs full use of their mid-level and biannual exceptions to sign some decent role players. Maybe that’ll even leave enough afterward to bring back Dwight Powell. … Hollinger: The biggest question mark is whether the team could generate enough wiggle room to use its full non-taxpayer mid-level exception, which is the Mavs’ most realistic pathway to adding another role player who is at least halfway decent. If Irving re-signs for his max, that becomes challenging, but not necessarily impossible. Dallas would, however, have to do one of the following: waive and stretch Reggie Bullock’s partially guaranteed deal; find a taker for at least one of Bertāns, JaVale McGee, or Tim Hardaway, Jr.; or trade out of the 10th pick in the draft. Stretching Bullock, for example, leaves them with just enough money to use about the entire exception and then sign four minimum contracts to fill out the last four spots on the roster. They would be stuck at 14 the entire year and have basically zero flexibility to add money the rest of the way, though. Cato: It would be easier if Dallas had more pieces of value. It’s not entirely this front office’s fault, but it makes this summer and the coming years tougher. If you were a team interested in trading with Dallas, who or what would you want? The No. 10 pick, Josh Green and Jaden Hardy, sure. Maybe Hardaway or Bullock? Dallas doesn’t even own most of its future picks: just a 2027 first-rounder and a 2025 second. Hollinger: If I were to rank Dallas’ assets, I would rate the 2027 unprotected first on top, obviously, especially since Luka might be gone by then. (Just the messenger!) That would be my focal point in any negotiation. If that pick isn’t in play, then I would value the 10th pick in this draft far above anything else. The other stuff just isn’t all that exciting for another front office. Green is interesting, but we don’t know exactly what he is yet or if he’ll ever shoot at a high volume, and the acquiring team would have to pay him after this season. Hardy might rank higher on some team’s boards because he’s on a cost-controlled contract for longer and has arguably more upside, given how young he is (turns 21 on July 5). But again, I don’t see him as more than an ancillary piece in a trade for a starter-level player. Maybe he can change that viewpoint by midseason. I don’t see a market for Hardaway or Bullock. Hardaway makes too much for what he is right now. Even in the best situation he’ll ever have in his life, playing as a hired gun next to Luka, he’s a meh option and 31 years old. Bullock’s level of play dropped off too sharply last year, and his age (32) and injuries are also a concern.
