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[Player Assessment] Kevin Porter Jr.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Dankstronaut, Mar 18, 2023.

  1. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Member

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    Winshares is a cumulative stat bud. Playing two more seasons does that.
     
  2. fchowd0311

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    Winshares is a cumulative stat bud. Playing two more seasons does that. KPJ's winshares after two seasons was .3 compared to Green at 2.5.
     
  3. Bobbythegreat

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    Why would we blame the only competent shooter on the team for other guys missing wide open shots?

    I mean, other than desperately trying to scapegoat one player for the failures of others.
     
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  4. Bobbythegreat

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    How about last season? Playing nearly 600 more minutes didn't seem to help Jalen out that much given that he only managed 1.8 to KPJ's 2.9....

    Overall for their careers, KPJ has played 5928 minutes to Jalen's 4740 and KPJ has 4.0 to Jalen's 2.5 so even going the career route doesn't help your case.
     
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  5. Yinka Dare

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    I feel that way about KPJ and it's independent to how i might feel about other players. I never liked him in cleveland, but i admit i was a bit hyped when we got him for cheap. He's put numbers on a bad team, he does not do anything that makes the team better, he's got possibly one of the worst iqs i've ever seen in a basketball court and i'm a yinka dare enthusiast. I think the way he's seen around the league says a lot. Guy is worth a bag of doritos.
     
  6. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    The very fact that your handle is one of the dumbest guys ever to play in the league means you can't judge IQs all that well, now doesn't it.

    DD
     
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    Ball Handling- KPJ
    Shooting- KPJ
    passing- KPJ
    Defense- KPJ
    Athleticism- JG
    Bag- KPJ
    Potential- JG
    That’s how I see it. JG has a good chance to be better someday, but he’s not just yet
     
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  8. Yinka Dare

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    Or that i'm very familiar with very bad IQ, hence the name and me touching on that exact point in a previous post.
     
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  9. Francis3422

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    Isn’t your handle young meatloaf?
     
  10. DaDakota

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    No that is just what your mama named my penis.

    ;)

    dD
     
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  11. DatRocketFan

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    Kpj is garbage at pg.

    Has potential to b something more as a shooting guard or sixth man.

    Hopefully our new coach figures out the pg position
     
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  12. Dankstronaut

    Dankstronaut Way, way out here.

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    I'm asking a pretty simple question, to what extent does the point guard bear some responsibility for the team's shooting? If that reads as desperation to you, I'd guess it's more of a projection than anything.
     
  13. Bobbythegreat

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    None. When players miss open shots, it's 100% their fault every single time.
     
  14. DaDakota

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    6.3% of that is the PG,,, 93.7% is the players missing the shot.

    DD
     
  15. Dankstronaut

    Dankstronaut Way, way out here.

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    At least it's an answer.
    That would mean there's no credit for assists either. Neat.
     
  16. mikenm268

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    My assessment of KPJ:
    • He's a talented multi-level scorer
    • He's a ball stopping PG who also seems to frequently predetermine whether he will drive, pass, or pull-up
    • He's a emotionally and mentally unreliable person
    I can acknowledge his positive attributes while also saying I've been 100% out on him since a couple of his more unseemly tantrums from 21-22. I hope we go in almost any other direction at PG this year, and I hope he's gone. There is a possibility he figures it out and becomes one of our highest ceiling guys, but I wouldn't take the risk.
     
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  17. Bobbythegreat

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    The "credit" comes from creating the shot, that's why you don't blame the PG when other players miss open shots. They did their job, they created the shot, they can't make the shot for them as well.

    If they had that kind of mind control or whatever, then you could blame them for not making the shot for their teammates. As far as I know, no one has that ability.
     
  18. Dankstronaut

    Dankstronaut Way, way out here.

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    I wonder why it's called an assist and not a created shot then...
     
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    I guess the coach who drew up the play for the players to create for others or score it themselves gets no blame and should be rehired (Silas etc)
     
  20. Bobbythegreat

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    Because an assist is a created shot that they actually made, so all assists are created shots, but not all created shots are assists.....which is why "shots created" is a better metric to judge PG's than assists because you can create 50 shots per game and end up with 0 assists if everyone else on your team sucks.

    Your teammates being awful doesn't mean you failed, it just means they suck.

    Let's say you create 6 open or wide open 3's for a player, if they only hit 33% of them, it's not your fault that the guy you created shots for was Jalen Green.
     

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