1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

2023 Trade Targets

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Joe Joe, May 8, 2023.

  1. IdStrosfan

    IdStrosfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2021
    Messages:
    8,734
    Likes Received:
    10,984
    I'm not saying I like it.

    It is simply is being realistic. That's the market.

    At some point you must stop thinking about what you think it fair or "good" or what you would do and realize what MLB actually does.

    Anthony Rendon:7 yrs $245M at age 30
    Kris Bryant:7 yrs $182M at age 30
    Nolan Arenado:8 yrs $260M at age 28
    Rafael Devers:10 / $313.5M for 2024 age 27
    Manny Machado:11 / $330M at age 30

    Here are these players career fWAR per 150g played - better or worse nothing excluded.

    Bregman 31.8 / 875g = 5.45 per 150g
    Arenado 46.9 / 1452g = 4.85 per 150g
    Machado 47.3 / 1499g = 4.73 per 150g
    Devers 19.2 / 755g = 3.81 per 150g
    Rendon 34.4 / 1111g = 4.64 per 150g
    Bryant 32.0 / 976g = 4.92 per 150g

    every 1 of those deals is at least 7 years for $26M AAV.

    You think Bregman will AND SHOULD sign for less than 6 @ $25M?
     
    Snake Diggit likes this.
  2. Snake Diggit

    Snake Diggit Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2012
    Messages:
    14,832
    Likes Received:
    24,120
    Unless a few key teams fall completely apart over the next 3 weeks, I think almost all fans across baseball should brace themselves for a quiet trade deadline. As of now I expect only 7 teams to be sellers (Rockies, Nats, A’s, Royals, Tigers, White Sox, Mariners), with 2 of those (Mariners and White Sox) very likely only selling their pending free agents or overpaid players. That means 23 other teams competing in a market that likely only features the following players:

    C: Yasmani Grandal, Elias Diaz, Tom Murphy
    IF: Matt Duffy, Jeimer Candelario, Eugenio Suarez, Ildemaro Vargas, Mike Moustakas, Tony Kemp
    OF: Ramon Laureano, Teoscar Hernandez, Lane Thomas, Seth Brown, Randal Grichuk, Victor Robles, Corey Dickerson, Jurickson Profar
    SP: Lucas Giolito, Marco Gonzales, Paul Blackburn, Mike Clevinger, Michael Lorenzen, Matthew Boyd, Chris Flexen, Zack Greinke, Chase Anderson, Brad Keller, Patrick Corbin, Jordan Lyles
    RP: Aroldis Chapman, Scott Barlow, Paul Sewald, Brad Hand, Daniel Bard, Trevor Gott, Brent Suter, Hunter Harvey, Reynaldo Lopez, Joe Kelly, Jose Cisnero, Carl Edwards Jr., Amir Garrett, Kyle Finnegan, Austin Pruitt, Nick Wittgren

    By my count that’s ONE hitter available who most teams would be ok with as one of their top 5 hitters (Teoscar Hernandez); otherwise it’s a bunch of bottom of the order regulars or bench players. Similarly, Giolito looks like the only SP likely to be available who most teams would be ok with starting a playoff game; otherwise it’s a bunch of BoR guys you add just to eat innings while keeping you in games. The RP market looks healthy; there’s a few guys who are legit closers and a lot of guys who would be fine in a setup or 7th inning playoff role.

    Boston, Cleveland, St. Louis, the Mets, the Cubs, Pittsburgh, and San Diego could all fall far enough in the next month to warrant selling, but as of now I wouldn’t put money on any of them moving impact players.
     
    whiskeyred likes this.
  3. Hemingway

    Hemingway Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2016
    Messages:
    10,695
    Likes Received:
    13,934
    I’d load up on relievers. We don’t need a bat if Dusty will just play Diaz and McCormick over Julks and Maldonado. Dana needs to force it if he continues with his stupid lineups.
     
    Nook and panamamyers like this.
  4. Snake Diggit

    Snake Diggit Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2012
    Messages:
    14,832
    Likes Received:
    24,120
    I would think a reliever and some kind of 13th position player would be the order. The lineup shenanigans will get fixed if they ever have everybody healthy, since it would almost certainly mean Julks would be sent down (meaning Maldonado would be the only bad hitter on the roster). But trading for a solid bat to replace Julks, Salazar, or Kessinger as the 13th position player would also help prevent bad players from being forced into the lineup; Duffy, Grandal, Diaz, and Brown seem like they’d fit that role if the price is low. If other teams get added to the list of sellers, then that probably boosts the SP market.
     
    #584 Snake Diggit, Jun 18, 2023
    Last edited: Jun 18, 2023
  5. panamamyers

    panamamyers Member

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2000
    Messages:
    1,627
    Likes Received:
    1,733
    Dusty is treating Julks like he's a two time all star out there hoping to get him to turn it around. He's a matt Mieske type. Just good enough to hang on to the edge of the roster. He should have no more than 150 plate appearances for an entire season and he has 200 already nearly. Chas should be your left fielder. Not like he couldnt switch to center and stick Julks in if something happens to Meyers. Chas is so far and away the better hitter and fielder. It just makes zero sense.
     
  6. raining threes

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    18,498
    Likes Received:
    13,376
    The Cards need pitching and have OF's that should be available. The Cubs as well.
     
    Nook likes this.
  7. astros123

    astros123 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2013
    Messages:
    13,572
    Likes Received:
    11,001
    This may be controversial to some folks but I'd trade Bregman in the off-season. He hasn't looked the same for years now and no reason to think he'll magically turn it around. I think we can get a nice package for him.

    No to a long term contract.
     
    #587 astros123, Jun 18, 2023
    Last edited: Jun 18, 2023
    beardsanity713 and IBTL like this.
  8. IdStrosfan

    IdStrosfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2021
    Messages:
    8,734
    Likes Received:
    10,984
    Who is Brennan?

    Seriously though, I can see trading an OF or 2 but who plays 3B if Alex is traded? And who might be available who might be available to replace him?

    He Is not consistent nor is he an MVP contender, but how many 3B out there are better than him? Who would be an improvement.
     
  9. Snake Diggit

    Snake Diggit Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2012
    Messages:
    14,832
    Likes Received:
    24,120
    Similarly to if they traded Tucker, trading Bregman would likely mean making another move to replace him. An example I threw out was trading Bregman for a big prospect haul, then trading a 3rd tier prospect for someone like Matt Duffy or Jeimer Candelario to replace him. Yes, the net for 2023 would be negative, but it wouldn’t be a total white flag, and the outlook for 2024 forward would likely be much better (assuming they got the kind of prospects that would make a move like that worthwhile).
     
    Wulaw Horn and astros123 like this.
  10. IBTL

    IBTL Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2010
    Messages:
    15,560
    Likes Received:
    15,767
    Brennan?!?!?!!
     
  11. Nick

    Nick Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 1999
    Messages:
    50,792
    Likes Received:
    17,160
    Would be quite the wwe pivot if the Yankees become sellers. Statistically, they have a much tougher road to the playoffs than the Astros.

    they’re stuck with Judge, Rodon, Stanton, Cole… and they still have unknowns in Oswald, Volpe.

    Rest of the roster is probably made available… but not that much upside (but a lot of price tags) for guys like IKF, Donaldson, and the rest of their pitchers.
     
  12. Nook

    Nook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    59,771
    Likes Received:
    132,181
    The Astros are not trading Bregman or Tucker.

    They are being aggressive trying to add players, but teams are not ready to be active yet.

    As for why Julks is playing with a 280 OBP? I have no idea.

    The Astros will likely add a quality bat and reliever …. But more than anything, they need Bregman, Tucker, Abreu, Montero and Stanek to play better
     
  13. astros123

    astros123 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2013
    Messages:
    13,572
    Likes Received:
    11,001
    You don't see us trading bregman in the off season? I mean cmon he's not worth a new deal and he's on the wrong side of 30s....
     
  14. IdStrosfan

    IdStrosfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2021
    Messages:
    8,734
    Likes Received:
    10,984
    Since when is 29 "the wrong side of 30s" when discussing the value of a ballplayer?
     
    Astrodome and everyday eddie like this.
  15. Radricky

    Radricky Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2020
    Messages:
    6,325
    Likes Received:
    10,126
    Why the f are we throwing lindor four fastballs in a row
     
  16. Snake Diggit

    Snake Diggit Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2012
    Messages:
    14,832
    Likes Received:
    24,120
    Looking at potential teams that might be interested in a sideways trade where neither team is a clear seller or buyer, came up with something like this:

    Astros get:
    RP Tanner Scott
    3B Jacob Berry
    RHP Jacob Miller

    Marlins get:
    OF Chas McCormick
    RP Ryne Stanek
    RP Matt Gage

    Astros add an elite RP for this season and next without giving up any prospects and add 2 buy-low high ceiling prospects. They can afford to give up McCormick with the pending return of Brantley (McCormick isn’t even gettin in the lineup everyday as it is). Marlins add a quality everyday OF with 3 years of control to address their primary weakness (outside of C) without giving up any of their top 10 prospects. They also add 2 low leverage big league relievers to mitigate the loss of Scott.
     
  17. Nook

    Nook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    59,771
    Likes Received:
    132,181
    Unlikely.

    However, I think when it is all said and done he will have an OPS of over 800 and be worth around 4 WAR.
     
  18. IdStrosfan

    IdStrosfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2021
    Messages:
    8,734
    Likes Received:
    10,984
    How much better is Tanner Scott than Ryne Stanek?

    Because what you are doing is giving up McCormick in order to get that improvement plus 2 lottery tickets.
     
  19. BlindHog

    BlindHog Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2021
    Messages:
    2,196
    Likes Received:
    1,736
    I have not seen anything from our new GM to indicate one way or another what he may or may not do. There have been numerous times that action on his part should have been forthcoming but none have resulted in any purposeful moves. I have much less confidence in him now than when he was hired and am concerned about the upcoming deadline and off season.
     
  20. Nook

    Nook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    59,771
    Likes Received:
    132,181
    Explain - what actions did he fail to take that you think he should have taken.

    It's not a snarky question.
     
    raining threes and Bregatron like this.

Share This Page