Chinese Virologist post report claiming virus made in Wuhan lab

Thanks -- this one I had seen. And especially now compared to the Times article, this looks so poor.
Starting off with their fave piñata, Fauci, for no good reporting reason, doesn't make them look biased at all. LOL

 

It's possible it was a lab leak, and it's possible that it's just idiocy of the scientists not taking the proper safety precautions when they were in the mine. They could have contracted in the mine and brought it back to the lab and infected everyone - without only 3 getting symptoms. It's also possible that they contracted it from someone else and it's just the lab workers who first got screen properly.

What's alarming to me is reports of the Chinese military being involved in the Wuhan lab at all.

 

I don't buy this.

It's always the leftists' excuse for their own hate - "oh, we need to protect [insert minority]". And they don't really protect [minority], they just want to feel better about themselves by accusing others of being mean to [minority], but are often the prejudiced ones themselves.

I mean, I look Asian apparently (just ask DD) - never ever experienced anything like what you are describing.

Sure, there might have been isolated incidents of that, but that doesn't mean that searching for the truth is "careless".

The intolerance and aggression from the Left has been stunning. You are not allowed to say or research what they don't want to be the case, or they will shower you with hate.

 

if I may, I think we can assume that much, if not all, of this has been known to the US government, via the CIA, NSA, and other sources, since we first learned of Covid in late 2019. You can call Trump's language reckless (I call it boorish), but the accusations didn't come out of thin air.

and we should probably clarify what is meant by the term "lab leak". it's really a lab "accident", the scientists got infected, they infected others in turn, in an out of the lab, some of whom may not have known they were infected, and many of whom shopped at the nearby market. and the Chinese government knew this, and still encouraged travel to the US, Europe, and the rest of the world.

One can say Trump is an *******, is unworthy of the office he held, an embarrassment to his country...and still acknowledge he was right about covid's origins.

 

It was. I know this for a fact.

 

I seriously doubt the US intelligence services knew all this at the start of the pandemic. How? It takes time to gather all of this and put the pieces together. Trump had no idea, he was just speculating and using whatever he could to push his agenda. At first he was taking a pro-Chinese stance even praising them. He didn't lead on the lab leak and other attacks on China - it was other conservatives. It was just people imagining the worst possible scenario and pushing it out into media. Trump jumped on as soon as he risked looking like he might miss the train on it.

No one was saying the lab leak wasn't possible - just that with the information available at that time, it wasn't likely. And people people are stupid, when you throw accusations out there recklessly, people go after anyone who looks Chinese because that's how jingoism works.

You can be right for the wrong reasons, and it's not even sure that they were right yet. You can say the bomber must have been Muslim, or that the killer black, or the serial killer white without knowing any facts - and then be proven wrong or right. And if you guess wrong there is no penalty, but if you guess right, hey, well then you can prance around and cry about how you were right.

 

Your personal experience doesn't define reality for others. And yes there was a lot of hate for Asians after COVID - it's well documented. It's not a left or right thing but a stupidity thing. I don't know why these things always have to be politicized.

Fact is that whenever a minority is behind something really bad, people get upset at the whole group. Heck even when it isn't a minority but a while person - like it was in the 96, Olympic bombing - people get upset at the group they first suspect. I remember a lot of people bothering me about it even though I am not even Muslim or Arab or Middle Eastern. "Why do you people keep doing this to us? Why?" and that was from a black person. But I heard it from different groups.

It's real. It happens, and it's based on human stupidity. No political group corners the market on stupidity.

 

Asian people are not in the minority

 

Maybe not in China, but in the US, yes they are and I can't believe I even have to state that.

 

I can attest first hand to Anti Asian hate during COVID. In an Asian American community here in Minnesota was vandalized with anti Asian graffiti during the pandemic. Heck when I posted about it here a poster said I should be deported.

 

Wtf? Who?

 

It was Senator or Dachuda. To be honest I laughed it off but yes many Asian and Asian businesses were very negatively effected during the pandemic. I discussed what was happening in Minnesota in this thread and was working with local Asian groups to address both threats made to Asian American community and ways to help businesses survive.
https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/visiting-an-asian-neighborhood-during-covid.304539/

 

It's not new. In fact, the article quotes verbatim from publicly released information from the State Department (under Mike Pompeo). These are, of course, highly classified, so we don't know what the source is and how confident the source is. But we do know that the US IC made assessments with this information. And we also know that the US IC assessment stated that the virus was not engineered or a biological weapon. That, of course, doesn't mean that there wasn't Chinese military involvement. We just don't know how confident the US is with their assessment. But they are, again, confident enough to rule out human engineering. China's secrecy is the reason why this (accidental lab leak or natural spillover) can't yet reach a conclusion.

https://2017-2021.state.gov/fact-sheet-activity-at-the-wuhan-institute-of-virology/index.html

3. Secret military activity at the WIV:

• Despite the WIV presenting itself as a civilian institution, the United States has determined that the WIV has collaborated on publications and secret projects with China’s military. The WIV has engaged in classified research, including laboratory animal experiments, on behalf of the Chinese military since at least 2017.

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Take the L already. I slow walked you through all this over two years ago, so I know you have the facts. The Times article is just a rehashing of things that have been known for a long time. There is a mound of evidence that COVID-19 is a lab leak of an engineered virus.

Agent94 May 17, 2021 #142
They use a technique called "serial passage" where they will infect a lab animal or a tissue sample over and over again until the virus mutates and becomes more effective and dangerous. This is what is essentially sped up evolution and a technique they used in Wuhan. "... serial passage should be considered a viable route by which the novel coronavirus arose. The practice of serial passage mimics a natural zoonotic jump" - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7435492/, ...
One of the main arguments for the lab leak involves the fact that COVID-19 seemed to right away be able to bind to human ACE2 receptors. And surprise, people dug into research papers and found that virologists working on gain-of-function research have actually written papers about using serial passage to get a virus to bind to ACE2 receptors.

From The Times article
The investigators also saw evidence that the institute was conducting “serial passaging” experiments on at least one of the mine viruses. This is a process in which lab animals are infected with viruses and monitored to see which strain is harmful to their health. The most damaging strain is selected for repeat experiments to encourage the pathogens to mutate into something more deadly.
The investigators spoke to a Wuhan institute insider who alleged serial passaging experiments were being carried out on RaTG13. “Humanised mice with the serial passaging is a toxic combination,” said a source. “It speeds up the natural mutation process. So instead of taking years to mutate, it can take weeks or months. It guarantees that you accelerate the natural process.”

 

It's still circumstantial evidence. You are still jumping the gun here. They don't know if it was "engineered" and the COVID was not made from RATG13. Also none of the articles or facts you brought up before mentioned they were using humanized mice, which is why I pushed back that the gain of function experiments could lead to a deadly human virus. I had no idea they had put human lungs in mice - that's a whole different ball game - something you nor the sources ever mentioned.

So no, you threw a bunch of articles out there and you still aren't really making sense. What is in the article above is not the story you were pushing.

 

Just read that thread, couldn't find anyone saying you should be deported.

 

I don’t have the search skills they some of y’all have but it was in one of the COVID threads. Anyway if you read that thread there are posts that are downplaying what happened to Asians.

 

Actually there were several attacks that happened on Asians during the pandemic in Minnesota.

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