That's funny cause all the Grizz fans I know hate Brooks and think he's a wannabe Kobe. If the guy took 5 shots a game he'd be great but he's not wired that way.
thank u J.R. Interesting to see the big drop in WARP from Whitmore to Hendricks (two of my favorite prospects). Also like that he has Cason Wallace and Podz so high. This big board aligns a lot more closely with my value of these players …other than the Scoot outlier.
Jazz FRP #4 …for.., FRP #9 & Kessler We then use FRP #9 to pick up our future lead guard. One or more of Black, Wallace or Hood-Schifino should be there. Kessler & Smith work well together. Sengun starts us, Kessler is perfect complement to him. I think Sengun maybe able to play next to Kessler, too. Defense Defense Defense
All that board really shows me is how utterly batsh*t insane it is to try to use advanced statistics to measure prospects That's not even remotely close to the consensus of all draft boards. Advanced stats don't even work that well for actual NBA players, let alone trying to translate across wildly different competition levels between different college conferences, G-League, different international leagues, etc
Trey Murphy is a better player than Green at this point and 2 years older. This accelerates the rebuild, not restarting it. This still leaves you with two top 5 picks for the starting lineup. We don't know what the future picks will look like but they would hit when we're capped out and needing cheap way to add talent. I think it would be simpler if you had just said Jalen Green is the greatest ballplayer you've ever seen and leave it at that. "Blowing it up" over 1 guy who is under contract after this year.... wow....
That's fine. You're ok getting next to nothing for him if he doesn't improve this year. I'd rather get two potential lottery picks in the future and hedge the risk. I noticed you missed the part where I said it could be KPJ... But I get it, he's a whole year older than Green and plays better so it makes no sense to keep him... Good luck when Jalen has to up his rate on Only Fans when he doesn't get a max deal.... i hope you can afford him...
That is a bit disingenuous stating that he is a whole year older than him don't ya think? Just the fact that he is 23 now and Green is 21. One has been in the league 4 seasons the other 2 (im pretty sure i have seen people argue over this already but sure he is only a whole year older..........) . Regardless you are right he may not improve. I think it's worth taking that chance that he does. He played with what was supposed to be an awful coach. Played with what was no guard that could run a system that was likely a purposely done to lose to try and get a high pick this year. After almost all of that changes this year if he does not improve then I will lower my expectations of him. Perhaps at that point it would have been a mistake to not trade him. I like the guy and the player though. A side not Green's TS % average over his first 2 seasons was higher than KPJ's average over his first 3 seasons while Green did it scoring 20ppg and KPJ at 14ppg. I would add both of their TS% would likely be higher over those seasons if they had played with a real PG or guard that had a IQ not in the negative from that position. Harden or FVV or Conley would make both of them better players and I bet we see that happen with hopefully KPJ doing it from the bench feasting on other bench players. And they can get some more wins in their lives instead of losing streaks.
Not a simmons guy but he's not a rockets fanboy... Based on performance, age, and contract... Jalejln doesn't make the top 65... here are some who do: Evan Mobley (who they should have taken) Josh Giddey (who they could have taken) Jalen Brunson Jalen Williams (who they could have taken) Franz Wagner (who they could have taken) Walker Kessler (who they could have taken) OG Anunoby Chet Holmgren Austin Reaves Shaedon Sharpe Jaden McDaniels Dejounte Murray Derrick White Keegan Murray (who they could have taken) RJ Barrett That is some of the 65... So you have someone in the media saying we would have to give up something with Jalen Green to get RJ Barrett. May have something to do with playing one end of the court... just a theory... If you want some other perspectives... Hollinger's PER has Green #162 out of 367 players. Meaning on average he would be one of the better 6 men in the league. On player impact estimate he is 209th in the nba. I know, I know, he may play bad but he's young so that makes it good. There were 7 rookies higher than Jalen and another 12 2nd year players better. So he's one of the best among the worst teams... https://nbarankings.theringer.com/trade-value I don't hate Jalen, i just don't assume he's going to be an awesome player and if he doesn't improve under Ime, he's getting us what Wiseman cost the Pistons... maybe less since he's played more... It's a good haul to get a couple of lightly protected picks.
what does that have to do with what I said? post a list by some guy that was ridiculed for hating on the rockets many times and green himself. ok looking at his list in 2019 it has Porzingas, Oladipo, and Ben Simmions in the top 17. furthermore that list depending on how you want to make it many of those players like giddy, wagner etc deserve to be higher than green based on team success. which correlates i guess to what i said above. the rockets tried to lose this year for victor and scoot if he doesnt improve next season ok. based on said variables i think he does. end of story.
Tell me something about Jalen that isn't scoring. You don't because that is all he does. I see excuses for Jalen but none for Lamelo Ball. You think the Hornets have been loaded with great talent and coaching? There is no need to get offended by the thought of cashing out on the Jalen experience while he has value. Trey Murphy is 6'8" and shoots 40% from 3. He's 22 and about to turn 23. He's a solid defender with a .650 ts%. Jalen Green is 18 months younger. He shoots 33.8% from 3 and is 6'4". He's considered one of the worst defensive backcourt players in the league. He had a 53.8 ts%. You tell me what odds you give that 2 years from now Jalen is shooting 40% from 3, .650 ts%, and playing solid defense... 50/50? 20%? 100? NBA Rankings for Jalen's defense: Defensive Rating: 517 Defensive Reb%: 406 Defensive Box PM: 190 Defensive WS: 332 Doesn't help we passed on Mobley who led the league in DWS.... I see best case scenario for Green is probably something that looks like Anfernee Simons... not a Kobe or Wade... Just my opinion. Not trying to be harsh.
I was referring to an outside party to tell his value in a trade. You said it would not be a decent haul to get 2 potential lottery picks. It is more complicated than that with other players involved. Just saying according to an outsider, a lot of other guys have more trade value so they should be more offended than you by 2 lightly protected picks for their guy. Think Knicks fans get upset getting 2 future picks for Barrett? Raptors fans insulted by only 2 picks for Anunoby?
Of course Green will never shoot 40% from 3 neither will Devin Booker. He will get better though. Murphy 3's are 96% assisted. Green 61% (57% last year which is ridiculous) Booker 66% for career. Also have a gander at some of the guards in the last 10 years at the bottom of DWS and other defensive metrics their first 3 years. It's several all nba and all star guards there. You can respond and ill read it. But i have to get back to a boring ethics essay I am writing so i cant reply. Have a good one.
I think i may come across harshly. I don't think Jalen has no talent. I think he has few talents. That's why his supporters only talk about scoring and that's it. They don't brag about his on ball defense, his court vision, his tenacity for rebounds, his ability to see plays developing, his ball protection, etc. It's all about taking shots and so far he's not good at it. That could change but there's no guarantee he will ever be an efficient scorer. I think KPJ has more value at the 2 long term (rather than 1). He's young enough still to build around. He has his issues... We put up with a lot from Vernon Maxwell and he was a veteran... Right now if you gave me two top 12 picks for Jalen I would take it. Just a difference of opinion and no need to act like I've insulted him. I hope he improves but I'm a math guy... if I get two bites at an apple that give me a 20% chance of a star I like those odds better than Jalen right now. I do worry a lack of development this year tanks his value. I'm talking on defense... if he doesn't improve then it's hard to justify building around him knowing what you have to sceme on defense around him.
Why do we want Suggs, who can’t shoot when we can have an Uber athletic PG that can’t shoot. Orlando wants to move up to get either Scoot or Amen, because they need a Pg, because the 2 they have suck.
