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[Official] Nationals @ Astros

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  1. DCkid

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    Close. It was game 6 and Turner was ruled out, and may have decided the game.
     
  2. Rock Block

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    but there is no rule that you can’t run on that side it’s just that if you’re judged to interfere you can be called out and ump didn’t see that as Meyers kept his line as you said the entire way
     
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  3. tehG l i d e

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    Nats won that game. and Dave Martinez was yelling his head off that he should've been safe. So which way does he want it to be? I'm guessing whatever way helps his team. I don't blame him though.
     
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  4. DCkid

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    The rule is that if you are running outside the baseline (i.e., correctly in the runner's lane), but you interfere with the play (let's say due to a bad throw), then it would NOT be interference. However, if the same exact play happens and you interfere in the exact same, non-intentional way, but you're running to the left of the foul line (i.e., out of the runner's lane), then it would potentially be interference. There's a reason the running lane is drawn on the field to the right of the foul line.

    Also, the rule says nothing about it being okay to run outside of the runner's lane as long as you're running in a straight line.

    In my mind, if a runner is running in a space they are not supposed to be in if they want to avoid being called for interference, and that space is literally in the line of sight of the catcher throwing the ball and the first basemen receiving ball, then I don't quite see how that could not be interfering with the play.
     
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    By the time we get to that Rangers series at the end of June, I'd like to be 48-33.

    That's winning tomorrow and then taking 2 of 3 from each of the next 4 series against the Reds, Mets, Dodgers, Cardinals.

    I would think that puts us about 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 games back.
     
  6. DCkid

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    Sorry, *could* have decided the game. But yes, I don't blame him either. In hindsight, Turner was correctly called out, even though I think the way the rule is written is total bullshit. But man, the balls on that ump to make call in the world series is pretty impressive, considering that they rarely even call it in a low stakes regular season game as evidenced today.
     
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    My bad. Just went back to look at the tweet.
     
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  8. Yordan The Great

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    So if a batter heeds the running lane that's to the right of the foul line (as DCkid says he must do) all the way to the bag, he will miss the bag completely, unless he wants to tear some tendons in his left ankle trying desperately to catch the edge of the bag.
     
  9. DCkid

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    Deja Vu. I think this is the exact kind of thing Nats fan were saying in Game 6 of the World Series. :)

    But yeah, it's not me...it's literally in the rules that I copy/pasted/linked from mlb.com. I can paste again from here: https://www.mlb.com/glossary/rules/fielder-right-of-way

    That being said, the rules also state this:

    I couldn't find the following text on mlb.com, so I'm not sure if this is part of the official MLB rule book, but I've found this same text pretty much written verbatim at multiple links. I think it clarifies what the above quote means in the context of the first base situation. Link: https://baseballrulesacademy.com/lesson/runners-lane-rule/

    So taking all of this rule into consideration...once a runner is halfway to first, they need to be in the runner's lane to the right of the foul line (if they want to eliminate the possibility of being called for interference). But once they get close enough to the bag where they are trying to touch it, they are allowed to leave the lane for that final attempt to touch the bag. So, according to this, a runner can still lunge towards the center of first base (doesn't have to be the edge) at the last split second. But the preceding 40-ish feet before that, they should be in the runner's lane to the right of the foul line (if they want to avoid being called for interference).

    Still makes it awkward running path for a right-handed hitter. Maybe it's time for this.:eek:

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    They don’t want him throwing quite as hard as he is.
     
  11. Rock Block

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    Correct, the data had shown its changing his movement on pitches. Blum and TK have both mentioned it. I would think it’s why he’s been not nearly effective against left handers.
     
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  12. Tfor3

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    So glad we pulled a W


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    By the time the ball is in the vicinity, he's in the baseline. He's literally stepping on the outside of the bag when the ball gets there. It was a bad throw by the catcher. If the ball hit him at the time of the picture, that would be an out. That isn't the point at which the play matters.
     
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    By the time the ball is in the vicinity, he's in the baseline. He's literally stepping on the outside of the bag when the ball gets there. It was a bad throw by the catcher. If the ball hit him at the time of the picture, that would be an out. That isn't the point at which the play matters.

    If you go back to that play in the world series, the difference is Turner never made it to the baseline, meanwhile Meyers gets to the line the step ahead of the bag.
     
  15. DCkid

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    The rule says nothing about being inside the baseline at the time of the catch. It actually says the opposite, you don't even have to be in the baseline at the time you get to the bag, because you're allowed to leave the baseline to touch the bag. So, I disagree that is relevant to the rule. If it only mattered that they were in the baseline at the time the throw gets there, then why do they start drawing the line 45 feet out?

    I think the main difference between the Turner play is that throw in Game 6 was way more egregiously bad than the throw yesterday, so it better highlighted the interference. I think the same could have happened yesterday if Ruiz just beamed Meyers in the back.

    Anyway, all of this is probably overthinking it as to what this particular ump saw, because at least according to Martinez, when he argued, the ump said he saw him running "in the line," which was clearly incorrect. So, it sounds like the ump wasn't even looking for it. Maybe, because he was distracted by having to make the call at home plate right before..
     
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    I feel Nats will come out with an edge tonight. Breggy needs to have a bounce back game after going 0-4 and starting the collapse in the 9th.
     
  17. IdStrosfan

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    Breggy will have not slept last night get to the ballpark at noon, spend an extra 2 hrs in the cage and 2 hrs taking ground balls and then go 3-4 with a double and a homerun driving in 4.
     
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  18. IBTL

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    Dub babyyyyyyyyyy!!
     
  19. The Beard

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    I checked the mlb.com site myself

    Didn't see anything about the rule

    But

    Seems as if we got a Dub last night and the nats got an elll
     
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  20. SuraGotMadHops

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    Yeah Dave has a legitimate beef here, I guess what he's saying is if it was an out then it should be an out now. Regardless, Dave is a lucky ass b*stard and he can go eff himself.
     
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