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The Problem with Harden

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Sengoat28, Jun 13, 2023.

  1. Sengoat28

    Sengoat28 Member

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    What doc says
     
  2. kubli9

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    If Doc is able to diagnose the problem so easily, why couldn't he make adjustments as a coach to solve it? It sounds more like a bad coach not understanding how to use a great player more than a problem with Harden.
     
  3. jayfree

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    He ain't lyin'
     
  4. YOLO

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    so i guess folks care what doc says now huh, when its convenient
     
  5. Kevooooo

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    You think Harden, a perennial mvp is going to listen to someone? His response and apparently @SamFisher too :p is to point at MVPs as a response to Hardens failures. He scored a lot, so any criticism about things outside of scoring are apparently invalid and irrelevant…
     
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    Doc Gotta address his inner demons first b4 diagnosing others.

    Man gets exposed in game 7 and his record shows
     
  7. cheke64

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    Mchale diagnosed it, benched him, won the game, and got fired.
     
  8. ThatBoyNick

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    The goal with signing Harden is not to win a ring with him. Our core players are 20 & 21 years old. They won't be in their primes for another 5 years

    Harden won't be on this team in 5 years. This problem doesn't affect us long term. OKC acquiring CP3 did not affect their championship goals or timeline with SGA, it only helped develop the young players.
     
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    Pfffffft that's not what happen but keep spinning your story.

    We all know McHale is a sht coach who couldn't coach. His best trait is identifying the star on his team and letting him carry. Man greatest strength was clapping his hands. There's a reason why he never got a hc job after he got fired for the sht start to the season.
    Team proceed to make it to the playoffs without McHale
     
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    Whoever we get as a vet precense, whether they stepped up and carried playoff teams should be irrelevant. We bring a vet here because they can add stability and can bring something to the table in terms of teaching the young guys. Harden does bring stability and possibly can show guys like KPJ and Green some advanced guard skills but he also isn't the ideal mentor but he still has a lot of knowledge to pass down to the young guys specifically on how to run a efficient offense.
     
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    any tl;dr translations?
     
  12. ThatBoyNick

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    Are you saying the problem with signing 35 year old Brook Lopez is not that he's going to be 40 and will doom our championship run with Jalen in 2028?
     
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  13. DatRocketFan

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    Who's post?

    I can send it through a classified Christmas card document by December

    Ah if u want the video tldr? I don't think listening to a coach who chokes is worth my time.
     
  14. ThatBoyNick

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    The offensive style that he plays is so much of a one-man army that it's easy for teams to gameplan against him in the playoffs by smothering him.

    Not a new take by any means, exactly what scouts and coaches have been saying since 2015
     
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    thx
     
  16. SamFisher

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    What's irrelevant is Kevin McHale's opinion in 2016.

    Clearly he couldn't unlock Harden the way other coaches could - he was fired and the Rockets and Harden were better for it.

    That's just simply what happened - it's not even arguable.

    McHale kept whining about how he was fired, and grousing about it and then Harden responded by going on a 3 year run of destruction - that's fact.

    What level of twisted @Asian Sensation nonsense must one imbibe to claim that Kevin ****in McHale was vindicated! Dude we were all here! We saw what happened. Harden went supernova. We had the best team in the league.

    It was lots of fun. :) sorry you missed it. :(
     
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    The McHale criticism was entirely about Hardens lack of leadership. Did Dantonio improve Hardens leadership? Did Silas? Even Doc had complaints about trying to change Harden to be better for the team and to ultimately win. But because Harden went “supernova” scoring a lot of points an assists, it means McHale was wrong about Hardens lack of leadership skills? Sorry, that does not compute.

    nobody is trying to vindicate McHale as a coach. I’m speaking directly to the criticism he made of Harden (undeniably accurate) and Hardens response.
     
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    His response was to play alltime great basketball and have the best team in the league - I consider this a good response! That's what I want out of my basketball team!

    I guess you have a different measure, which, is I guess, 7 years later, is to drone on about "lack of leadership" or "leadership skills" - I mean, you can be a sports fan however you want,

    ...but being an HR business partner conducting a seminar on how to write year-end Employee Evalutions seems like really awful way of doing it!

    Enjoy and make sure you get your timesheets in before Comp review calibration, Toby!
     
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    yeah, I remember when we were dumping the ball to Hakeem and everybody knew where he is and where the ball was, it was too easy to stop him in the playoffs…
    NOT!
     
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    Dude…i responded to a comment SPECIFICALLY about hardens leadership. And you find it odd I’m…focusing on his leadership?!

    It’s like someone being good at writing and failing a math test and then when they got the F on the math test, trying to argue how they deserved a better grade because they’re good at writing…that’s not what the test was about so who cares?!
     

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