Newsome says "no" to California reparations proposal

You wrote:

You’re saying the US slavery experience isn’t unique saying slavery happened to a lot of people. That’s not correcting a wrong but engaging in whataboutism.

That would be exactly like saying the Holocaust isn’t unique because a
Lot of people suffered from genocide.

 

No. You didn't include the post my original post was responding to and you're not showing the full context. The original post I was responding to claimed American Slavery was unique in its brutality and pulling people away from their homeland. I was simply pointing out that is not correct. A similar thing happened with Western Europeans being enslaved and taken to North Africa or the Middle East where they were subject to awful brutality. And assuredly other examples exist in history of slaves being enslaved and transported very far from their homelands. That's not "Whataboutism." That's simply refuting a historical claim someone is making with another historical example of the same or similar practice.

 

Dave Chappell (sp?) did a skit on reparations. It's of course satire, but probably not far from the truth. Rather than building a better life for themselves and their descendants (which would be the entire point) many would spend it all on diamonds, rims, and Gucci bags. I'm on the left, but I say no.

 

The reality is that slavery has been a worldwide issue for many thousands of year.

It is true that a number of Europeans were enslaved by Africans and Arabs in the past.

It is also true that parts of Africa and the Middle East on recently made slavery illegal.

In the USA it isn't often taught in school that slavery isn't limited to a particular group or color of skin.

However, context matters as well.

In this case, we are talking about slavery in the context of the USA - and in the USA slaves were brought over from Africa, and to this day, over 150 years after slavery ended, there is a serious financial divide between the ancestors of slaves and white people and other groups that immigrated on their own to the USA.

It is just like out treatment of native Americans - we committed genocide and forced acculturation on the native Americans.

We were not the first, nor were we the last - and many of the nations in Europe that point their fingers at the USA did equally bad things or worse.

However - when discussing the context of the USA and how the USA should address their sins, the fact that other countries did terrible things does not mean the USA should wash their hands and walk away.

As for reparations, if I believed it would actually work, I would support them - but I don't believe they would work because the USA would do it in a short sighted way - just like they did with the native Americans.

The victims of past decisions to enslave and commit genocide still lingers and hurts those that live today.

 

I will admit that I maybe wrong about brutally of slavery here vs other parts of the world but you're correct about the whataboutism. I don't under what the point is, to be fair it started with Trader Jorge

 

Hmmm...

 

Thomas Sowell has said there were more white slaves in America than brown/black. I don't know where his info comes from, but it was news to me.

 

It comes down to how you define "white", how long you want to go back etc.

 

Slavery is by and large ..... slavery.

There isn't really any slavery that isn't ultimately brutal.

You will read or hear stories of particular enslaved individuals having it better than other.......

But at the end of the day, slaves are viewed as property by those that enslave them.

Was it worse in the USA? Not as far as I can tell, but that really isn't material when a nation is trying to atone for their own malicious acts.

The only time that it is remotely relevant to me is when someone from another nation takes a high horse position against the USA and fails to realize their own sins. There is plenty of blood to go around.

People rape - enslave - murder - but that doesn't make it alright.

 

I think reparations regardless of whether I support them are more about years post slavery as most Americans were poor through the early 1900's. Blacks suffered injustice but the great divide in wealth really begins after the New Deal and WWII.

 

There's two major things (arguably a lot more) the reparations debate lumps together. The original crime of slavery and institutional racism.

Reparations might try to acknowledge the first one, but I doubt any amount or lump sum payment alone will address the latter.

If reparations is warranted, to what extent does an official apology acknowledge the extent of the 500 year old crime?

A fairer economic distribution by socio-economic status would likely be more tolerable socially, but does the original crime override concerns of fairness?

That's the core reasoning behind equity over equality, isn't it?

Tough questions a liberal should ask themselves...

 

No he didn’t but he saw the city turned into crap since he last visited

 

The liberal or wokie who wants to get some $100 white t shirts and torn Jean shorts has to find another place in the city
This is equivalent to the galleria in Houston closing

 

Yup, that's the D&D in a nutshell. Willfully misconstrue what someone said and attack them for what you wish they had said you can be sanctimonious.

Nobody said the Atlantic slave trade wasn't bad but if you want to say, "Slavery in the Americas was very unique in its brutally. From being ripped from our homeland, stripped of any of our culture to the work to the treatment [sic] as punishment." Someone can push back on that and cite historical examples of similar practices in other slavery situations.

That doesn't mean you're "doing whataboutism" or you are negating the awfulness of the Atlantic slave trade.

Good grief. These strawmen are bs.

Discuss and debate in good faith and do better @rocketsjudoka

 

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The reparations should be a constitutional amendment disallowing slavery, another to require the equal treatment of all citizens under the law, and a third disallowing the denial of voting rights on the basis of race.

 

Newsom is making presidential moves.

 

Maybe China can help people from leaving California to Florida