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Lock Him Up !

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by adoo, Jun 8, 2023.

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  1. Zboy

    Zboy Member

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    Everyone wasting their time.

    Trump can easily threaten or pay each of the jurors and make it quick and swift for everyone.

    This is the most likely outcome.

    Stop wasting tax payer money on trivial stuff.
     
  2. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    There is no reason to be kind to ****ING MORONS that will put our country at risk because they are more adherent to a party than to honesty and integrity.

    You get enough ****ING IDIOTS like this and you lose the republic and become facist.

    They are WILLFULLY CHOOSING to put a CRIMINAL in the highest office, they are the major problem with this country.

    **** anyone that voted for Trump, the information of what he is, was readily available - so many swallowed their pride because he supported some of their agenda, bunch of selfish ****ING ASSHATS....**** EM ALL! They are the same type of people that allowed NAZISM to take over Germany.

    DD
     
  3. mdrowe00

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    ...DD's kinda got a point here.;)

    It was badly received by the generation to which it was first addressed, and the outpouring of angry nonsense to which it gave rise is sad to think upon. But the present generation will probably behave just as badly if another Darwin should arise, and inflict upon them that which the generality of mankind most hate—the necessity of revising their convictions. Let them, then, be charitable to us ancients; and if they behave no better than the men of my day to some new benefactor, let them recollect that, after all, our wrath did not come to much, and vented itself chiefly in the bad language of sanctimonious scolds. Let them as speedily perform a strategic right-about-face, and follow the truth wherever it leads.
    ----Thomas Henry Huxley

    ...should have dealt with Tricky Dick...and maybe cynicism and stryfe among the populace, and mistrust and contempt for the government, wouldn't be as bad as it is now, some 50 years hence...

    ...the past, it seems, often is prologue...
     
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  4. rocketsjudoka

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    I understand what you’re saying and I understand the frustration about it. What I’m saying though is rather than disengage and cede the stage to the loudest most verbose voices or in internet parlance the trolls is to continue to be engaged.

    While you may not be debating it sounds like you are still engaged and I think that is important.
     
  5. rocketsjudoka

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    :rolleyes: Dershowitz’s own argument is very selective considering a special prosecutor was also assigned by this DOJ to investigate Biden’s handling of classified material.

    Trump unlike Biden or Pence didn’t cooperate with the National Archives and instead chose to obfuscate. This has nothing to do with a bias similar to racial lines but that Trump behaved differently than other former elected officials.
     
  6. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    It isn't just that someone wrote 10% for the big guy. That was written in an email that discussed a broader deal for millions of dollars that was going to other identified recipients. People familiar with the email verified its authenticity and identified "the big guy" as Joe Biden. It isn't some random fragment that people are assuming means Joe Biden was receiving money, Hunter's own business partner verified that Joe Biden was receiving money. I'm sorry that you don't think witness statements and electronic communications constitute evidence, but they do. This is further corroborated by Hunter's own statements that his father was taking a large portion of his money and that he was being made to finance the Biden family. There were additional emails indicating that the benefits received by the people paying Hunter the money were meetings with the Vice President. You are free to bury your head in the sand because you like Biden's protectionist, populist, and anti-business policies, but your condescension to someone who has spent years prosecuting paper cases is laughable.
     
  7. astros123

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    "People familiar with the deal" "sources said" lmaooooooooo. Man I love laughing at yall. Let me repeat. Everything you spewed was garbage heresy. There's not one lick of hard evidence that links joe biden to any of the dealings other than 2nd hand witnessess who had a fall out with Hunter.

    Hunter business partners were scumbags and they provided no hard evidence of any kind to back up their allegations. The same partners that had a fall out with Hunter by the way.
     
  8. fchowd0311

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    Donald Trump just loves to self-incriminate himself. It's incredibly funny. The dude brags about illegal stuff because he thinks it makes him look cool. Man what a time.
     
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  9. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    The laptop is the hard evidence. I don't think you know anything about how a court of law works or what evidence is.
     
  10. fchowd0311

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    I have a laptop. Is that evidence I did something illegal? Do you have a laptop? Just asking questions.
     
  11. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    It depends on what you have on the laptop. If you have evidence that you were involved in illegal activity on your laptop (say emails setting up bribes or images of child p*rnography) then yes, if not, then no. Obviously simply owning a laptop is not illegal. I do have a laptop. Anything else I can help you with? Do you need me to teach you what free speech or fascism are again?
     
  12. astros123

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    Nothing in that laptop is any sort of concrete evidence that shows Biden got money other than heresy emails. No financial records or links were exposed that linked biden directly.

    Also any judge would've thrown out the laptop in seconds as it clearly violated hunter 4th amendment. You're so clueless

    Republican Inquiry Finds No Evidence of Wrongdoing by Biden https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/23/...icans-johnson.html?smid=nytcore-android-share
     
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  13. astros123

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    "Emails" is not evidence. In white collar cases if you can't prove a financial link directly to the suspect you won't even get an arrest warrant.

    Why do you pretend to be intelligent about this? What in the world are you talking about?
     
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  14. fchowd0311

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    I mean if you have child p*rn on your laptop then ya. But I need evidence of that.
     
  15. astros123

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    You make it seem like the laptop was the shop owners to begin with. Alot of these pawn shops have had their contracts voided by judges numerous times as they're made to screw over the poor buyer in most cases.

    The idea that this laptop would be allowed in a court of law is a massive stretch.

    https://www.axios.com/2023/06/01/scoop-hunter-biden-lawyer-deposes-laptop-shop-owner

    • The lawyers also have argued that the language on Mac Isaac’s form did not give him the right to the data on the hard drive.
     
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  16. Os Trigonum

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    pretty sure Hunter sold the laptop to the guy to pay for crack :cool:
     
  17. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    You don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy in abandoned computer equipment, especially when you have a) given someone access to said equipment, and b) signed a waiver indicating that the equipment and its contents belong to the person you left it with if you do not return within the required time period. Furthermore, the 4th Amendment protects against state action, not the actions of private individuals, John Paul Mac Issac is not a government employee, nor was he acting at the behest of a government employee. That's why FedEx can find illegal drugs in a package and turn it over to the police and it doesn't violate the 4th Amendment. You may want to read Burdeau v. McDowell 256 US 465.
    Emails are in fact evidence. Electronic communications are used in many cases. White collar cases of course, but also cases like drug trafficking.
     
  18. astros123

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    Sigh talking to you literally lowers my iq. You have zero evidence that Hunter signed a legally binding waiver allowing them to keep his laptop. You're just spewing conspiracies which isn't worth my time.

    In the verified laptop log that CBS reviewed joe biden name was never in the laptop. You keep spewing about the emails but there's not a shred of evidence in the emails tying biden to anything. Off hand mention of the big guy isn't evidence. Your brain is gone


    Also the court case you mentioned has literally nothing to do with Hunter. Do you even try with your trolling ? That case talked about a employee leaving paperwork tied to the company and asking for privilege. WTF does that have to do with Hunter?

    Anyways you're just not very knowledgeable like at all.
     
  19. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    A) It doesn't matter if Hunter signed a legally binding waiver in order for the contents of the laptop to be admissible, and B) John Paul Mac Issac claims that he did sign just such a waiver. As I have told you before, statements of a witness are evidence. You keep claiming there is zero evidence of X, Y, and Z, but you don't seem to understand what evidence is.
    Criminals speak in code. Do you expect someone to write to Hunter Biden: Here is $10,000,000 to use to bribe Vice President Joe Biden in exchange for meeting with us and implementing the policies we discuss at that meeting."? No case has that. What happens in real cases is there are coded statements and then either the police are able to interpret the code (based on circumstantial evidence) or someone familiar with the code spills what it means. In this case, both are applicable. There are clear references to things like meetings with Hunter's father (don't need to be an expert to figure out that is a reference to Joe Biden without mentioning the name Joe Biden) and there are statements from Hunter's associates about what the coded language ment.
    You don't even understand what the case law means. Of course it has nothing to do with Hunter Biden, it was decided before his father was born. The principle of law that was laid out in the case has everything to do with your claim that the 4th Amendment would prevent the use of the laptop in a prosecution though.
    In other words, your claim that the 4th Amendment would prevent the use of the laptop in a prosecution was wrong. You have a woeful understanding of 4th Amendment jurisprudence, as well as just the basics of evidence or even the application of case law.
     
  20. astros123

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    The us government literally had Trump on video records and had tapes with trump committing the crimes first hand. They used the witness as collaborating evidence to use alongside the first hand knowledge of trump crime. They have video tapes from surveillance and other records showing FIRST HAND that trump committed crimes.

    If you think for a moment that an email claiming, "10% for the top guy" alongside hersay from witnesss with zero paper evidence is enough than you're genuinely the most disingenuous gone poster this section has. At this point you're playing dumb on purpose.

    You can keep spinning your 2nd hand bullshit theories but not a single one would hold up in court. Theres no hard evidence linking joe biden to any of the ukraine crimes. You can keep blabbering on about your conspiracies but thats all 2nd hand garbage.

    When you find a record of Joe biden receiving the money or spending the money let me know.
     
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