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You say you want a revolution?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Jun 8, 2023.

  1. NewRoxFan

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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/dont-want-live-country-where-080013662.html

    I don't want to live in a country where Trump could be held accountable

    Now that my favorite president, Donald Trump, is facing a 37-count indictment from the feds, I join with my brothers and sisters in MAGA, and with all sensible Republicans, in saying this: I’m not sure I want to live in a country where a former president can wave around classified documents he's not supposed to have and say, “This is secret information. Look at this,” and then be held accountable for his actions.

    I mean, what kind of country have we become? One in which federal prosecutors can take “evidence” before a “grand jury,” and that grand jury can “vote to indict” a former president for 37 alleged “crimes”? Look at all the other people out there in America, including Democrats like Hillary Clinton and President Joe Biden, who HAVEN’T been indicted for crimes on the flimsy excuse that there is no “evidence” they did crimes. THAT’S TOTALLY UNFAIR!

    It’s like Republican Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin wrote in a tweet Friday: “These charges are unprecedented and it’s a sad day for our country, especially in light of what clearly appears to be a two-tiered justice system where some are selectively prosecuted, and others are not.”


    What kind of country holds a president accountable for alleged crimes a grand jury charges him with?
    Or as Republican Sen. Marsha Blackburn tweeted: “Where are the investigations against the Clintons and the Bidens? What about fairness? Two tiers of justice at work.”

    TWO TIERS! One tier in which President Trump keeps getting indicted via both state and federal justice systems and another in which the people I don’t like keep getting not indicted via all the things Fox News tells me they did wrong.

    It’s like America has become a banana republic, as long as you do as I’ve done and refuse to look up the definition of “banana republic.”

    Regardless of the Trump indictment, it's clear this is all Biden's fault
    And of course, you know who’s behind this travesty of justice, right? It’s so-called President Biden, who is both frail and senile and also a laser-sharp master at conducting witch hunts.

    Sure, they’ll tell you the indictment came via a special counsel investigation, and that the federal special counsel statute keeps such investigations walled off from political influence. But that’s complete nonsense, unless we’re talking about special counsel John Durham, who was appointed by Attorney General Bill Barr while Trump was president and tasked with investigating the NEFARIOUS LEFT-WING CRIMES committed in the Trump-Russia probe. Durham was above reproach, and the fact that the New York Times reported he “charged no high-level F.B.I. or intelligence official with a crime and acknowledged in a footnote that Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign did nothing prosecutable, either” is something I will ignore.

    This is a WITCH HUNT, and I believe that because Trump said so!
    Current special counsel Jack Smith, on the other hand — he’s bad news. I know this because Trump has said repeatedly that Smith’s investigation is a witch hunt, and I’ve never known Trump to lie about anything.

    Keep in mind, in 2016, Trump said: “I’m going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be above the law.”

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    So after he said that, you expect me to believe he didn’t protect classified information? Just because, according to the indictment, there’s a recording of him holding a classified document in his office at his club in Bedminster, New Jersey, and saying to two staff members and an interviewer: “See, as president I could have declassified it. … Now I can’t, you know, but this is still a secret.”

    You call that “damning evidence,” I call it, “What about Hunter Biden’s laptop?”

    Putting Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton and Hunter Biden in prison? Now THAT makes sense!
    Now I can already hear all the libs out there whining and saying that if it was Biden or Hillary or Hunter getting indicted, I wouldn’t be saying a word about two-tiers of justice or the weaponization of the department of justice or anything like that.

    Well, those whiners would be right, but the difference is I believe Biden and Hillary and Hunter are all guilty and should be locked up for life, whereas with Trump, I believe he is great and innocent and the best president America has ever known.

    It’s like this: If Hillary got indicted for murder, I would say, “Yes, she is absolutely a murderer. Lock her up.”

    But if in some outrageous scenario President Trump was indicted for murder just because he told a bunch of people that he did a murder, I would say: “HOW DARE YOU CHARGE THIS MAN WITH MURDER WHEN OTHERS IN THE U.S. HAVE NOT BEEN CHARGED WITH MURDER! THERE ARE CLEARLY TWO TIERS OF JUSTICE, ONE IN WHICH MY FAVORITE PRESIDENT, WHO SAID HE MURDERED SOMEONE, IS CHARGED WITH MURDER AND ONE IN WHICH PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T MURDERED ARE NOT CHARGED WITH MURDER!”

    And that, my liberal friends, makes perfect sense to me and my MAGA companions. So watch out. The Trump Train’s a comin’.
     
  3. NewRoxFan

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    So close...

    Could have been the


    Freedom
    America First
    Road
    Trip

    And the acronym would have been much more satisfying and apropos.
     
  5. pgabriel

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    The reads says "willful" retention
     
  6. rocketsjudoka

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    I really hope things go OK for Miami but if I’m the mayor there I’m already calling for National
    guard to be ready tomorrow.
     
  7. jo mama

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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-supporters-violent-rhetoric-defense-152907828.html

    Trump Supporters’ Violent Rhetoric in His Defense Disturbs Experts

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    Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.) at the Capitol in Washington on Nov. 17, 2022. (Al Drago/The New York Times)
    The federal indictment of former President Donald Trump has unleashed a wave of calls by his supporters for violence and an uprising to defend him, disturbing observers and raising concerns of a dangerous atmosphere before his court appearance in Miami on Tuesday.

    In social media posts and public remarks, close allies of Trump — including a member of Congress — have portrayed the indictment as an act of war, called for retribution and highlighted the fact that much of his base carries weapons. The allies have painted Trump as a victim of a weaponized Justice Department controlled by President Joe Biden, his potential opponent in the 2024 election.

    The calls to action and threats have been amplified on right-wing media sites and have been met by supportive responses from social media users and cheers from crowds, who have become conditioned over several years by Trump and his allies to see any efforts to hold him accountable as assaults against him.

    Experts on political violence warn that attacks against people or institutions become more likely when elected officials or prominent media figures are able to issue threats or calls for violence with impunity. The pro-Trump mob that attacked the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, was drawn to Washington in part by a post on Twitter from Trump weeks earlier, promising that it would be “wild.”

    The former president alerted the public to the indictment Thursday evening in posts on his social media platform, attacking the Justice Department and calling the case “THE GREATEST WITCH HUNT OF ALL TIME.”

    “Eye for an eye,” wrote Rep. Andy Biggs, R-Ariz., in a post on Twitter on Friday. His warning came shortly before the special counsel in the case, Jack Smith, spoke to the public for the first time since he took over the investigation of Trump’s retention of classified documents.

    On Instagram, Trump’s eldest son’s fiancée, Kimberly Guilfoyle, posted a photo of the former president with the words, “Retribution Is Coming,” in all capital letters.

    In Georgia, at the Republican state convention, Kari Lake, who refused to concede the Arizona election for governor in 2022 and who is an ardent defender of Trump, emphasized that many of Trump’s supporters owned guns.

    “I have a message tonight for Merrick Garland and Jack Smith and Joe Biden — and the guys back there in the fake news media, you should listen up as well, this one is for you,” Lake said. “If you want to get to President Trump, you are going to have go through me, and you are going to have to go through 75 million Americans just like me. And I’m going to tell you, most of us are card-carrying members of the NRA.”

    The crowd cheered.


    Lake added: “That’s not a threat, that’s a public service announcement.”

    Political violence experts say that even if aggressive language by high-profile individuals does not directly end in physical harm, it creates a dangerous atmosphere in which the idea of violence becomes more accepted, especially if such rhetoric is left unchecked.

    “So far, the politicians who have used this rhetoric to inspire people to violence have not been held accountable,” said Mary McCord, a former senior Justice Department official who has studied the ties between extremist rhetoric and violence. “Until that happens, there’s little deterrent to using this type of language.”

    The language used by some right-wing media figures was more stark.

    On Pete Santilli’s talk show, the conservative provocateur declared that if he were the commandant of the Marine Corps, he would order “every single Marine” to grab Biden, “throw him in freakin’ zip ties in the back of a freakin’ pickup truck,” and “get him out of the White House.”

    One of his guests, Lance Migliaccio, said that if it were legal and he had access, he would “probably walk in and shoot” Gen. Mark A. Milley, chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and someone Trump has identified as one of his enemies.


    So far, the reactions from Trump’s supporters have been more intense and explicit than those expressed after Trump was indicted in a separate case by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg in late March.

    Shortly before that indictment, Trump posted an article on Truth Social, his social media platform, that included a photo of himself holding a baseball bat on one side, and Bragg in an adjacent photo. Dueling crowds of pro-Trump and anti-Trump protesters appeared in lower Manhattan when Trump was arraigned there in April.

    On Saturday, in his first public remarks since the latest indictment on seven charges related to the retention of classified documents and efforts to obstruct justice, Trump attacked those investigating him as engaged in “demented persecution.”

    The FBI has been the target of much criticism from far-right Republican lawmakers and the former president’s supporters. In the wake of the heated partisanship, FBI field offices are reporting all threats related to their personnel or facilities to the Washington headquarters, in an unusual step. A law enforcement familiar with the move said the FBI was trying to get a handle on the number of threats around the country directed at the agency.

    Despite whatever security precautions are taken for Trump’s appearance Tuesday, security experts said that the rhetoric and the threats from it were unlikely to subside and would likely become more pronounced as the case moves forward and the 2024 election nears.

    “Rhetoric like this has consequences,” said Timothy J. Heaphy, the lead investigator for the select House committee that investigated the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol and Trump’s efforts to remain in the White House after his presidency. “People who we interviewed for the Jan. 6 investigation said they came to the Capitol because politicians and the president told them to be there. Politicians think that when they say things it’s just rhetoric, but people listen to it and take it seriously. In this climate politicians need to realize this and be more responsible.”

    On Instagram on Saturday morning, Trump posted a mashup video of himself swinging a golf club on the course and an animation of a golf ball hitting Biden in the head, superimposed with footage of Biden falling at a public event in recent days after he tripped over something onstage.

    It was hardly the first time that figures on the right have issued calls for war or violence to support the former president, or the first time that Trump has appeared to summon his supporters to amass on his behalf.

    In the days leading up to the attack on the Capitol, the notion that a civil war was drawing near was prevalent in right-wing circles. Extremist leaders like Stewart Rhodes, the founder of the Oath Keepers militia, and Enrique Tarrio, chair of the Proud Boys, often rallied their groups with incendiary references to the cleansing violence of the American Revolution. Both men have been convicted of sedition in connection with the Capitol attack.

    More broadly, on far-right websites, people shared tactics and techniques for attacking the building and discussed building gallows and trapping lawmakers in tunnels there.

    The recent bout of warlike language coming in response to Trump’s indictment echoed what took place among Republican officials and media figures last summer after the FBI searched Mar-a-Lago, Trump’s private club and residence in Florida, as part of the documents investigation and hauled away about 100 classified records.

    “This. Means. War,” The Gateway Pundit, a pro-Trump outlet, wrote at the time, setting the tone for others. Hours later, Joe Kent, a Trump-endorsed House candidate in Washington state, went on a podcast run by Stephen Bannon, Trump’s onetime political adviser, and declared, “This just shows everyone what many of us have been saying for a very long time. We’re at war.”

    Indeed, within days of the heated language that followed the search of Mar-a-Lago, an Ohio man armed with a semi-automatic rifle tried to breach the FBI field office near Cincinnati and wound up killed in a shootout with local police.
     
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    I expect all calm and quiet thanks to DoJ actions to hold Trump jan6 style violence accountable.
     
  10. JuanValdez

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    That's very... optimistic of you. Nah, I hope you're right, but I'm a little worried. If things get out of hand, its up to DeSantis to provide order and there's a whole political calculus in that.
     
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    That did not occur to me until just now...geez.
     
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    It's people like her that make stupid statement that aren't factual and get the wrong people in a uproar for telling lies and it's going to get people hurt in these streets.
     
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    It's like they didn't learn a dam thing from J6 SMH, these folks are trying to fire up the base with lies because most of them are too stupid to actually read it, they will just take the word of the mouth pieces for the cult leader.
     
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    I totally agree it's headshaking to see just how stupid people can be and when you got someone like 45 continuing to tell lies that is pouring more fuel to the fire. It would be so simple for them to just read and find out the truth.
     
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    Meal Team Six is really itching to turn posting into reality, huh
     
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    I don't see these people showing up in Miami like that. The Jan 6ers had a specific mission, stop the election certification. I know my thought process could be very naive
     
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    lol. clearly she needs to google "U.S. population number"
     

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