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Desantis seeks to punish Disney for disagreeing with him

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Mar 31, 2022.

  1. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    Exactly. How many Jewish actors changed their names to something Anglo?
     
  2. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    LOL, The Last Airbender was widely panned, but not for whitewashing. That's because it wasn't whitewashed. The cast of The Last Airbender was actually more minority represented than the voice cast of Avatar: The Last Airbender.
    Aang - Zach Tyler-Eisen (White) -> Noah Ringer (Native American)
    Katara - Mae Whitman (White) -> Nicola Peltz (White)
    Sokka - Jack DeSena (White) -> Jackson Rathbone (White)
    Zuko - Dante Bosco (Filipino) -> Dev Patel (Indian)
    Toph - Michaela Jill Murphy (White) -> eliminated
    Iroh - Mako (Japanese) -> Shaun Taub (Persian)
    Azula - Grey DeLisle (White) -> Summer Bishil (Mexican/Indian)
    Ozai - Mark Hammill (White) -> Cliff Curtis (Maori)
    Admiral Zhao - Jason Isaacs (White) -> Aasif Mandvi (Indian)

    Not a single character went from minority to white, but several from white to something else (mainly Indian, in the M. Night Shayamalan film).

    The argument would have been much better with Dragonball Z, but that movie might be hated even more than The Last Airbender, and many people did complain about the whitewashing of the cast. There was also significant outrage about Scarlett Johansson being cast in The Ghost in the Shell.
     
  3. Buck Turgidson

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    Wait...what?

    Italian, Irish, Jewish, Polish, Russian, Hispanic, French...whole lot of people anglicized their names, and not for "acting jobs"
     
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  4. JayGoogle

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    The funny thing is the whole term 'blackwash' comes from 'whitewash' which as we know has an extensive history.

    For most of Hollywood's existence its been about pandering to white audiences, only recently have we gotten any minority roles with any kind of regularity, before say the 2000s it was very rare you'd have non-white person playing the lead role in a big movie.

    This whole 'woke' stuff is just an example that some people refuse to understand that some things are not made for them or made for them in mind. That's fine. The whole hate on Brie Larson was simply because she said some Oprah movie she did she said something about the movie not being made for 40 year old white dudes and it literally pissed them off. Just type in Brie Larson in youtube and see what comes up. They are STILL seething that she dared to point out that some Oprah movie she played in didn't have 40 year old white dudes as their target audience.

    Some of these people think everything should pander to them and the whole "I just don't think anyone should be pandered to," is the whole colorblind argument. It sounds nice on paper but in reality people think of white as the default. So much so that many book roles are not even racially coded but people will auto assume characters as being 'white' if they are not explicitly described as anything else.

    A great example of this is Hunger Games where Katniss (and most of the characters) don't get a race because of the setting in the book and despite her ambiguous racial description it is of course assumed she must be white, because that's the default of course!

    This is part of the reason why diversity feels 'forced' to some.

    At the end of the day there seems to be a very clear pattern as to which movies get the 'woke' and 'pandering' title.
     
  5. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    The entire show was based in Asia and all the characters were Asians. Most were converted to white for the movie.
     
  6. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Woke used to be extreme progressivism that was annoying. You notice that the mainstream media doesn't complain about "woke" liberals any more - that's because the right has turned "woke" to mean anyone who does anything to hire a minority to any position. They feel that minorities should be limited to only things that they accept minority roles for. Otherwise it's "woke". It's their way of saying white hetero males should dominate and anything that threatens them is "woke"
     
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  7. tinman

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  8. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Avatar: The Last Airbender was based in a fictional world and spanned the entire globe. There were two water tribes at the north and south poles, the air nomads (who were extinct), the Fire Nation which controlled large portions of the world, and the Earth Kingdom. Asia doesn't exist in the show. Geography of the World of Avatar | Avatar Wiki | Fandom

    That leaves us the voice actors, who (as I have shown) were replaced with a more diverse cast of live action actors. Not a single Asian person was converted to white in the movie (at least from the main cast, I didn't dive down into side characters and extras, but you are welcome to do so).
     
  9. JuanValdez

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    Lol, even another black actor will never be Will Smith. The hard part of getting out of that shadow is his charisma, not his blackness. If they ever did do a remake, they'd probably be smart to mix up the races in casting. Casting another black guy in Smith's role would make it look like a pointless repetition. The biggest problem, I think, of the Little Mermaid is not changing up the casting but that it is otherwise the same. They should have more fully reimagined the storytelling.
     
  10. Salvy

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    Its the same thing, these original characters from the original films were special for a reason and not just because it was the original. Disney isn't remaking failed movie titles and reimagining concepts that didn't work out the first time to create something new. They are taking beloved and WHITE characters and making them black. End of story. There is absolutely nothing original or special about their woke remakes. This is why they will be forgotten in as early as a couple of months. Just like that Lord of The Rings woke trash series.
     
  11. Andre0087

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    How many US Citizens work on your farm? None...except management.

     
  12. tinman

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    So it’s China’s fault nobody saw it there ?
     
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  13. Salvy

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    Its always some one else's fault that their $hit woke adaptations suck ass.... Forgettable movie, once Disney race swaps another beloved character this movie will never be talked about again.....
     
  14. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    You are talking about the voice actors - I'm talking about the characters.
     
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  15. StupidMoniker

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    As I said, there is no Asia in the world of Avatar, so there cannot be Asian characters. There is a Fire Nation, and Earth Kingdom, two Water Tribes, and a clan of Earth Nomads. Since Earth has none of those things, we cannot possibly cast from people of those groups. That leaves the voice actors as the benchmark for diversity. The live action cast was more diverse than the voice cast. Neither group had any Air Nomads, Water Tribesmen, or citizens of the Earth Kingdom or Fire Nation.
     
  16. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Watch the show - the characters are obviously not white.
     
  17. fchowd0311

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    Ya the water tribe is obviously referring to Inuit people. Fire nation is some sort of Eastern Asian ethnicity. Air Temple mimics Shaolin monks etc
     
  18. JayGoogle

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    That show was barely woke at all lol.

    The GOT show was FAR more woke, had far more 'STRONG INDEPENDENT WOMEN!" stuff going on and made a white character black, which you literally just complained about.

    The reason it didn't get stuck with the 'woke' label is because it was massively successful and therefore didn't fit the narrative for the typical grifters but before it actually aired all these same people did was complain about how GOT was going 'Woke'.

    All LOTR did was make an elf and a dwarf black, like the only 2 black characters on the show btw but I guess that's enough to get people crying about black people on their TV screen. (Edit: Actually I forgot the black queen in the show, 3. So three!)

    I miss the old days when at least people could learn to tolerate the 2-3 non-white people in any given film or show.
     
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  19. StupidMoniker

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    Listen to the show, they obviously are white. They are fictional characters from fictional haplogroups in a fictional world. Shyamalan chose to represent the Fire Nation as Indian, the Water Tribes as white, the Air Nomads as Native American, and the Earth Kingdom as East Asian. You are mad because made up groups of people that don't really exist were represented in a live action film by a group of actors that was more diverse than the actors who represented them in the source material because the people drawn like this:
    katara.jpg Sokka.jpg

    Were represented by actors who look like this:
    peltz katara.jpg rathbone.jpg
     
  20. Frank_Duhon

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    That sounds like a lot of conservatives who are upset that a made up mermaid that doesn't exist is represented by a black actress.
     

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