Is there precedent for a truly horrific shooter becoming adequate?

fair enough, i wasn't aware the players in OTE were 15-16, i had assumed they were more in the 17-19 range. Never watched a game and sure as hell would not watch a college game, it's horrifying

 

They called Lee Harvey Oswald **** Shot when he was in the Marines, but he allegedly got better.

I hate myself for posting this.

 

Even if the avg age is 18y in OTE, the Thompsons are 20. If compared to college, there are lot more sophomore, juniors and seniors than only freshmen playing in the college circuit.

On some colleges having 0 NBA prospects. In OTE, outside of Thompsons, who else in OTE are mocked for the 1st round?

If OTE is so promising, why did their big name acquisition Kevin Ollie left after one year and takes the BK assistant job.


If the Thompsons ends up being a bust, are you guys gonna take responsibility . Gonna pay child support?

 

I haven't done a deep dive, but I think Sarr is a top 20 prospect for next year. I've seen OTE throw out some other guys that would be top 20/1st rd guys, but not sure I believe them (even if their Thompson twin rankings were accurate-ish). I think Tyler Smith is going to go with the Ignite next year, and I assume he plans on being a 1st rd NBA guy next year.

They're all younger than the twins for sure, but I think they have decent-ish talent.

Although I did watch one of the games, and there were babies on the court, and I saw one of the babies, and the baby looked at me.

(Name that reference)

 

I'm not a huge fan of NCAA basketball outside of the March Madness tourney. Even if there is a lot of non-nba talent in the NCAA, they are still coached well and play defense. It is more of a challenge to play college basketball than OTE, the Thompson twins took the easy path.

 

This part is complete lunacy but you might be right that OTE is easier, i have no idea. Certainly there was nobody in college that was on the level of scoot but top to bottom it could be much better. Looks like about 1 in every 5 college teams has an nba player on it, so almost every game you're not playing one.

 

“ Shooting” is the most important skill? Over dribbling?

The world is littered with Amen’s? How does hyperbole help your argument?

 

In other words for sure lol like very other words. Very exaggerated other words, you're dramatic as hell Robert.

The whole thing about Amen is that he's good at everything else except shooting. How's that even debatable?

 

Is he ACTUALLY good at those things though? We've seen non-NBA caliber scrubs absolutely wreck the G league since it's such an embarrassingly low level of competition.....and the guys Amen played against are hoping to one day be considered good enough to get a spot in the G league.

Having middling performances against those guys doesn't exactly scream that he's super talented at anything....he's just a freak athlete and at low levels that's enough.....it's not enough for the NBA unless you are a freak athlete in a body like Giannis or Wemby. There are thousands of 6'7 freakishly good athletes who aren't good enough for the NBA because at some point you need skill unless you also have a freakish body as well.

Is there any question that 20 year old 6'6 KJ Martin would have been a MUCH better player in the OTE than 20 year old Amen?

 

I'm going to say again, I do think there is a fairly high chance of the twins being "busts", if by "bust" you mean, just a mediocre roleplayer and not living up to what people normally want/expect from a top 5 lottery pick (whether those expectations are realistic or not). As somebody high on Amen, I think I'm actually closer in my view of him to some of his less-extreme detractors than they might be realizing. That's probably true for most of us who want the Rockets to pick him.

I think the Rockets should pick him at #4 anyway (if Scoot is off the board). Sometimes increased risk is worth it when the potential rewards are great enough. My top priority is for the Rockets to come away from this rebuild and three years of misery with a young guy who can become a top 10 player in the NBA, and in my view, the only three players who obviously have that potential in this draft class are Wemby, Scoot, and Amen. Some other guy can (and perhaps will) beat the odds and do it later in the draft, but the odds for each individual prospect are much, much lower. This isn't some wild outlier opinion--almost every draft analyst is mocking Amen to us at #4 for a reason.

 

You don't have to reply to every Amen post. . People will have their opinions, and it's not anyone's job to change other's mind. We know where you stand.

 

With the Thompsons, there's a legitimate chance they wash out of the league entirely fairly quickly if they never learn to shoot... they won't get to play against children in a joke of a league once they get drafted.

The league isn't kind to 6'7 guard versions of Kenneth Faried.

 

Says someone who’s picking Lively at No 4 smh

 

Just bored and dodging work But point taken

 

If he doesn't learn to shoot, he won't end up as as mediocre role player. He will be out of the league. In playoff basketball, the only player types are: star player (they are so good that they can reliably win a matchup), 3andD, and the occasional rim-protecting big man. Even the big men often get replaced by another 3andD wing, unless they also learn a 3pt shot. The one player who can't shoot but can control a game is Draymond Green, and that's only b/c he is all-NBA on defense.

 

Ausar Ave 6 ast as per ote career average
https://overtimeelite.com/players/cbb0c3ec-f9f2-43e6-bb6e-6e4ef5702d92/career

Amen ave 5.9 ast
https://overtimeelite.com/players/cbb0c3ec-f9f2-43e6-bb6e-6e4ef5702d92/career

You are right I forgot the decimal.

I'm a big fan of Ausar not so much Amen. I think it's a red flag his shooting and defense is so bad even after 2 yrs of dev in OTE. At least with Ausar you can see real progression and improvement in 2 yrs and in the playoffs he was shooting 39% from 3 on almost 7 attempts. Tbh I don't understand the Amen hype Ausar had more ast, better shot, better defense and won MVP and finals MVP over Amen. Amen seems more naturally gifted but slower to pick up skills while Ausar is less gifted (still a beast though) but is quicker to learn and improve. With the Twins they need a lot of catching up to do so Ausar is just better cuz he knows how to add tools to his bag. Amen may have the feel or w/e, but that's not enough in the NBA you need to keep adding to your game and I dunno if Amen can do that cuz in two years he still the same dude he entered in OTE: Uber athletic playmaker bad on D and shooting.

Ausar can play make and play pg as well, I honestly think this is a Morris situation where Markieff Morris got drafted first cuz he is more athletic but Marcus ends up the better player.

 

Curious what you think is an acceptable pre-NBA competition level?

Thousands of athletes like Amen lol... NBA Verticals: Who Has The Highest Vertical Leap In The NBA? (bballaddiction.com) average NBA vertical jump according to this is 28". Amen's 44" vertical makes KJ Martin, who we're somewhat convinced can fly, look pedestrian at 38.5". Amen's 44" puts him in the top 10 all time measured verticals, according to this link. KJ played at IMG Academy, why would his production be different if at OTE instead?

Stop exaggerating, please.

 

You don't have to be in NBA to make it hard for NBA prospects lol. Guys like Luke Garza and Drew Timme are destined to be scrubs but they still lorded over the NCAA cuz they spent years getting developed whereas guys like Banchero are rookies. That's what OTE lacked cuz the entire population are younger and less developed than the Twins.

 

Gotcha. That's what I figured. Again do note there is a bug on the OTE site, and Amen actually had more assists. Well I'm pretty sure it's just a bug and nothing malicious on their part.

I don't agree with much of this at all (I've been pretty clear on my opinions of each twin), but I think it is a valid take. Won't really debate any of that.

Amen and Ausar have a lot to work on in order to be effective NBA players. Debating their effectiveness these last few years means little if they don't make even bigger leaps these next few years.

 

Did anyone mention Kyle Lowry? I'm not reading this whole thread