I feel bad for the fans of whatever team we trade Sengun to. They’re gonna have to deal with this Sengun is Jokic nonsense
Jordan day 1 rookie season avg 27-28 ppg, Kobe day 1 rookie season avg 7 ppg, so of course the comparisons were based on Kobe playing similar style, which rather they were valid or not can't be decided in a year or two Kobe did get the Jalen treatment and then some, because he said he wanted no part of Hornets and wanted a trade to Lakers, what HS player has that type of clout (special treatment) before ever playing a single game in the NBA? Kobe would have had all the minutes handed to him with Hornets who planned to originally draft him, so i guess it's his fault for that somewhat Maybe Green should have demanded a draft day trade to Bucks so he would have been behind Holiday/Middleton (Van Exel / E Jones version) When they made the comparison they were hyping up Kobe who had never played a game in the NBA so it was all speculation/opinion which a true comparison is (it doesn't mean literally it will happen), and Laker nation made it even worse when they voted him in all-star game in 98' as a starter I never said Green was better than Kobe at 18, I was comparing them coming out of HS as raw shooting guard prospects who had flashy/dunk style game and were 3 level scorers, so if you think Kobe is way better at 18 that is your personal free will opinion, it doesn't take away from what i mentioned at all you keep thinking something is a trick, when it is plain basic 3rd grade format of what I mentioned, you went from saying I Am a cult(ure) follower to delusional to now saying it's a trick well words do cast spells, so maybe you are befuddled and feel trick'd by something being a premature comparison for a younger player entering any professional sport Pretty sure there have been running backs who got compared to Jim Brown / Gale Sayers etc when they entered the league, or others to Jerry Rice, or to Montana / Elway etc in the NFL Pretty sure there was comparisons made to Willie Mays / Bob Gibson / T Williams etc from those younger prospects who came into the MLB
At this point you're just going all out with the dishonesty so let's go old school and take this nonsense down one bit at a time. This is an outright lie, "the Jalen Green treatment" refers to being handed minutes and a prioritized role as a rookie, that didn't happen with Kobe. He did tell the Hornets he wouldn't play for them, but that's not the same thing...and you dishonestly trying to conflate the two simply won't work. As I said, Kobe didn't get the Jalen treatment, he wasn't handed starters minutes and all the shot attempts he wanted from day one, he had to earn it. Even then, his per 36 numbers show that the scoring was always there, he just didn't consistently get the minutes till his 3rd season....but the scoring and defense was literally always there. If Green did something similar and forced a trade to a contender, he'd have been buried on the end of the bench based on his lack of performance....and it would have killed all hype. Another scenario where there's just no comparison between the two. When we talk about why there were MJ comparisons with Kobe, part of it was his absolutely dominant Summer League performance as a 17 year old....where he came in and dropped 36 points on pros, dominating both ends of the court. That kind of thing builds hype. Jalen Green couldn't do that on both sides of the court as a 21 year old. Again, there is absolutely no comparison between Kobe and Jalen....as I said, Kobe at 17 was a better, more well rounded player than Jalen at 21. I'm pointing out the kindergarden tier sophistry you are attempting.....something cultists often resort to because they have nothing of substance to defend their delusions. Let's get back on topic though, suggesting that the fact that all time great players were compared to other all time great players is not a justification for comparing underperforming young players to all time greats. They aren't the same thing, they aren't even similar. So when people like you go out of your way to try and compare guys like Green or Sengun to Kobe or Jokic, you SHOULD have people laugh at you for it. You'll just have to accept that.
I don't get how an opinion about players first two seasons of development is being dishonest, you are a funny character indeed I have been replying in old school simple style, so I don't know how you going old school is really going to aid your comparison style The Kobe treatment was self inflicted as he wanted to go to a better team so those more established players at that time took his minutes, with Hornets he would have been thrown in the fire day one with heavy minutes Green was aware to know he was going to get minutes on a bottom feeder, so why would he demand to go somewhere when he only has 15 g league games under his belt? Kobe was cocky for pulling that off, even worse than Francis who had at least couple seasons of NCAA under his belt Nobody is comparing per 36, that is you reaching for straws, I already explained in baby terms what the comparison is, it has nothing to do with numbers, but style and development coming in as raw babies But you are so caught up in taking it as Green being the next Kobe you are blinded by your open rage and personal distaste you have for a player drafted by the team you claim to root for Sengun and Joker first two seasons of developing as youngins can be compared, especially since a bunch of players and media heads have said similar things about the two, but nobody in their right mind is saying Sengun is what Joker is right now And speaking for myself, I never said either player is or will reach the Joker/Kobe apex level, but you can't comprehend so I would expect you to compare a 20 year HOF career to two seasons of play, which nobody ever presented such a delusional debate about that Just for you saying there is absolutely no comparison in their first two seasons shows you are either trolling or just that incompetent to comprehend and maybe should watch another sport, stick to NFL which is more your speed since you claimed to play that sport And speaking of that, who would you claim your football game could be compared to? As far as your style/attributes?
Dude is still fighting it, but he knows Alpi will prove him wrong. He's slowly coming around. October 2022: Now: He hates it, but he knows that Alpi is really good.
If anything, it shows I’m being honest. Would you rather me stand by that take or change my mind based on the improvements I saw?
I think Green can matchup with Murray, both are scores with little defense. Same for Michael and Kevin Porter, both are good at catch and shoot 3s. Also, I think Gordon and Smith are about equal as for what they bring. The problems.are at center and the other guard position.
I do too, but there are ways to work around anything. Some posters around here are very rigid minded. A guard has to be able to shoot, a center has to be able to play good defense, etc. That's all good and fine on paper, but reality is more complicated and has more nuance. You can build rosters around a non-shooting point guard, you can build rosters around a poor defensive center. You just have to keep in mind your weaknesses and cover for them while playing to your strengths.
That’s true. It’s just so hard with Sengun bc he’s undersized, can’t protect the rim, nor switch. It’s just really hard to see how he’ll excel on that end. I wonder what Ime will do with him
Murray is a 57.1% TS% guy, in Jalen Green's wildest dreams he doesn't even approach that....and Murray is significantly better defensively. The best any of the players on that fictitious Rockets roster could hope for would be to be called "poor man's" versions of the guys on the Nuggets.
I think we're going to see a vast difference this yr in our shooting percentages. We have the players and now the coaching
i am pretty sure i am the one of the first posters that acknowledge myself as a sof since kid is from my hometown and joined here for him only. i really can not understand you people these kids in nba are best of the crop in whole world. you can't comprehend their will and abilty to improve with your pity keyboard skills.
