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Alperen Sengun is the Rockets' franchise player

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by AroundTheWorld, Jan 17, 2023.

  1. HardenReturns

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    You say English; you mean simple sentences and short words. Gotcha.
     
  2. Verbal Christ

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    No I mean fully formed sentences that are coherent. You can type in Turkish if you'd like I can run it through the translator.
     
  3. HardenReturns

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    Don't blame me for your lack of comprehension; go take it up with your special needs nurse or your foster parents.
     
  4. AlperenSengun

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    This is my understanding as well, particularly the bold part. 3&D refers to players whose main role in offense is 3pt shooting and not much of other things and good defenders. A 3&D team I would assume would refer to a team that runs simpler offense that makes use of these players, since these players are not suitable for running complicated offenses.
     
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    Lol if your criteria is that one player isn't enough to win a ring. We should just trade every single player in the league away. What are you even saying?

    Jordan couldn't do it. Lebron couldn't do it. Kobe couldn't do it. Shaq couldn't do it. Curry couldn't do it. Name me one player in the last 75 years that could win it by himself? Closest was Hakeem and the league has changed soo much now that it is basically impossible to win by yourself. No one is saying Sengun can win a ring by himself but he can be a key contributor to wining one. By your logic you'd trade away all the best players in league history cuz they couldn't win by themselves.....

    Jokic has been dominate even in the playoff series he lost. At some point your teammates mattered this is the first time he's had his whole roster with him in the playoffs for 3 years and the Nuggets look like a juggernaut that could potentially win multiple rings in a row,
     
  6. Easy

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    They were never fully healthy until this year. You are moving the goal post now that Jokic is likely winning a championship. "It's just an outlier." What an insight!

    Yes, every team needs 3&D players to win. But you don't build a team around a 3&D role player. You build around a great player with 3&D role players. You are getting it backward. LeBron has been dominating the league for two decades. Is LeBron a 3&D player? His 3pt average is worse than Jokic's.
     
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    That is the Non Verbal Joker for him.

    Jokic is shooting 45+% from 3 in this postseason, that is beyond nuts, can he repeat it next year?
     
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    Jokic is a career 35% 3pt shooter. Not elite, but respectable. I hope Sengun can shoot at least 33% to keep the defense honest.
     
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    That’s what he shot last year. I’d like to see him improve on that
     
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  10. Verbal Christ

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    If the majority of your team are good shooters and good defenders you will find yourself in the hunt at the end of each season YES that is what I have been saying. If your "star" player contributes to that philosophy even better, but not necessary if the majority are capable ie Denver. On the flip side look at Miami. Didnt really shoot the ball all that great most of the year and then got blazing hot from 3 come playoff time and boom Finals.

    In 2016 when Lebron won the ring in Cleveland that team was the best 3pt shooting team in the NBA and 5th overall best defensive team. Where do you think the 2012 Heat team ranks in these two qualifiers? Specifically Lebron that year - it was his best 3pt shooting season of his career! The 2013 Championship for MIA was a little more of an outlier as they were just barely inside the top 10 for 3pt shooting overall that year and stunk it up in the playoffs, but the star power prevailed. The blueprint is right there for everybody to read every single year and yet guys want to be intentionally dense for the sake of arguing.
     
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    I would add the rules than favored him were changed in the playoffs. It is this idea that has always irked me in the NBA. Teams can play one way all year and then in the playoffs they have to play much different.
     
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    No, you were saying teams built around a guy like Jokic would not be able to win.

    Now you are changing your tune to "if you have a lot of 3pt shooters you win." You are pretty much admitting that it's not who you build around but what you build around with. So all your opinions about Jokic/Sabonis/Sengun can't lead a team to win were misguided. You were focusing on the type of franchise player. Now you realized that it's not the type of franchise player but the type of role players.

    Who doesn't know you need good 3pt shooting to win? You are saying if water is wet, you can drink it.
     
  13. AlperenSengun

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    Among 16 playoff teams

    Denver is 10th in 3 pts made per game (13th in attempted)
    Miami is 5th (9th in attempted)

    They shot at a good percentage but they are not beating their opponents by their production there. You are just getting confused by overall increase in 3 pt shooting across the league and try think that is the main factor. Everybody shoots more, not the ones that shoot most or best % win, as you can see by looking at this and past year playoff numbers.

    Past champions:

    Bucks 2020-21 9th in made 3s 10th in attempted (14th an %)
    Lakers 2019-2020 11th in both made and attempted(12th at %)
    Raptors 2018-2019 4th in made 5th in attempted (5th at %)
     
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    Its cute to see you negate and push aside the bigger sample size and to focus on the numbers that align with your subjective view. Should I go line by line and discredit your examples because they all have holes? Nah I dont care that much - you guys are going to spin whatever data is presented in a way that will glorify the player(s) you are campaigning for.

    3&D works. Has for the last decade plus. Cope.
     
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    Post the quote! I said the philosophy of working inside out is dead because it is! You guys are clinging to a singular example of the one guy over the last 10+ years to buck that trend. That is called an outlier! Crazier still is that somehow you have convinced yourselves that its sustainable and can be overlayed onto Sengun in one of the wildest player romances I can remember here. Its impressive. Im not sure where the logic is when you are trying to twist my words between 'franchise' and 'role' players when I've been talking about a play style and philosophy.

    3>2 do you at least agree with that? LOL
     
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    I like the subtitles . . . “guys” lol
     
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    Okay. So you haven't changed your tune. I can respect that. You still think Jokic-led team isn't sustainable. Let's remember that, lest you move the goal post again.

    You are beating a strawman. That's not what we are talking about. We aren't talking about what kind of role players you need. We are talking about what kind of franchise player you must build around. You claim that Jokic kind can't win. But he is winning. Now you are saying it's an outlier. If he wins again next year, I bet you will say it's luck or something like that. LOL. You can't be proven wrong.
     
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