I dont care how you view me. You guys make excuses for anything under the sun that doesnt align with your perspectives. Fact is Jokic as great as he is wasnt enough so its easy to extrapolate the same to Sengun who is inferior to Jokic in every way - HE WONT BE ENOUGH! Cope with that how you want. Boo Hoo remember when Chris Paul got hurt and nobody gave a fk? You guys are playing horseshoes and hand grenades with your player evals.
Normally I'd just lead you on, but here I have to tell you you're way off. The person you're alluding to is hakeem. I'm correcting you because many haters stoop to snitching on anyone for anything, and I don't want to be banned for the wrong reasons. Brief: Naturally you're wrong yet once again.
Man, harden era caused some irreparable damage to some houston rockets fans. They think that, trying to win harden style is the right formula because he did not need any secondary star, yet he didn't even make it to the conference finals, lol. And because of the harden era, you see 3&D everywhere and think that all those other teams were winning because of 3&D. Those other teams had multiple stars, and a lot of elements that carried them to the finals. 3&D is not the formula. Balance is the formula. Having role players that can elevate their game in the playoffs is the formula. Team defense is the formula. Not losing your integrity, game plan under pressure is the formula. Having a coach that can make adjustments is the formula. Nobody was enough by themselves and probably nobody will be enough by themselves.
OMG! Did he really say "we need to focus"??? My eyes are welling… What are 3&D teams? I’ve heard of 3&Dbplayers, but is a 3&D team? If it’s team that only plays good defense and chucks volume 3s, then NO. The NBA has not been dominated by such teams. All recent champs had elaborate and varied offenses. Relying only on jump-shooting has never worked in the playoffs and never will.
Now that's a hot take right there! I know there were 2 conference finals, how come they didn't count?
Yeah man, 2 western conference finals. Rockets could just never get past GSW. It was the most successful Rockets era since the championship years.
it's kinda crazy how much flack harden gets for losing in 2018, without cp3, against the greatest team in nba history, where it STILL took an absolutely incandescent performance from foster to stop harden
Obviously got confused . too many finals in the system . The point still stands. It is absurd to build an argument around jokic cannot by himself.
nobody can by themselves, last year without murry/mpj denver was not a contender. Take away dray/klay from steph and he wins 0 rings, that goes for every player ever
I see the point, but obviously you’re wrong on Harden not making it to the WCF, but also those were not 3&D teams. You had Harden, you had CP3, you had the Capella rolls, before that you had that pretty devastating Josh Smith/Howard two-man game… Do I wish we had a decent post player in those years, even if only for limited minutes? Yes, absolutely! But those were not 3&D teams. No team that relies solely on jump-shooting has had any success in the league.
That's exactly my point!! Don't get me wrong. I am not saying anything against Harden, he was the epitome of what could be built around one man carrying that much load I don't think anybody else would be able to do what he could do. The only thing I can say against him is that the rules favored him too much at the time. Still doesn't take anything from his greatness. I am still not a big fan of that construction but it was the best possible in that direction.
what rules favored him? They built what was likely one of the 10 greatest teams of all time around Harden, better then almost every team that has won a title
Steph Curry and the Warriors say "Hi" Giannis' Bucks say "Hi" Kawhi's Raptors say "Hi" This very Nugget team would also fit neatly in that category. Go hit a search engine and learn a few things.
Wrong - go look at where each champion team over the last decade ranks in both 3pt shooting and team defense and then get back to me.
Contact initiated by offense was called a defensive foul. You could also jump into defenders to get a foul. These are not called anymore(as should be the case). That made Harden literally unguardable as he is already one of the best offensive players ever and on top of that he figured how to use these to his advantage. Nothing out of the book, the league should have responded faster to warn the refs and make the interpretations clear. Every now and then some players figure out to extend the scope of the rules and the refs don't know how to react to it. It is natural but it is true that it helped the rockets. Edit: just to be clear, It would be one of the greatest teams without that as well.
ummm have you ever watched a guy named Giannis play......? Pretty sure he's still around and pretty good by doing that....waaaaaaaaaay more than harden ever did
That's is the giannis treatment, other players are not getting those calls. they are just bad calls. You can't also fake a player and jump into them any more to get a shooting foul if the player jumps in place.
GSW is so much more than threes... even if you exclude a guy name Kevin Durant Giannis is brute force, Middleton is mid-range shot creator, Brook Lopez has post moves Kawhi, Lowry, Marc Gasol? None of their big three was a jump-shooter You have to have more shooting nowadays than before, that is true, but you can't base offense on jump-shots, that has never worked and never will
GS destroyed the "jump shooting teams cant win a championship" narrative -- wanna know how I know? I was one of the guys who questioned it all those years ago. See I used to also believe that great teams started inside out and that the 3 pointer was a flukey way to win. I was wrong. Defend at a high level and space the floor with great shooting and you will find yourself in the hunt. Jokic and possibly Sengun will help to reverse that trend somewhat, but all you need to do is go watch a Junior High basketball game and you'll get an idea of which way the sport has turned. Middleton is a lifetime 39% 3 pt shooter on nearly 5 attempts per game - hardly a mid range shot creator. He's there to space the floor for Giannis. MIL even turned Brook Lopez into a 3pt threat. Toronto was the 5th best 3pt shooting team and 2nd best defensive team in the NBA when they won in 2019. 3&D wins until further notice. Even if Denver wins this year they will also fall in that category as a team who shot the 3 ball great and defended at a high level. What Denver has that other teams who have dedicated themselves to that strategy including the Harden era Rockets didnt have is a guy in Jokic that can take the ball and dictate pace and distribute from the paint. They dont necessarily need to get out and run and put up 50 3's a game and play the numbers game. They've filled the team with defenders who can shoot. Murray is there to share the scoring load, but every guy on that team plays their role to a T because it is a team game. I dont say "Jokic couldnt do it alone" as some sort of slander - only that even as good as Jokic is at what he does it wont amount to much when teams start trading 2 point shots with 3 point shots. Did you see what happened to Miami when they couldnt find the bucket? All those 3's that were falling prior to game 1 didnt fall - they arent a great shooting team. They got hot at the perfect time and now could be regressing to the mean. (then again MIA could run off 4 in a row and make me eat more crow but such is life).
