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Jaylen Brown’s Value Is A All Time Low, We Need To Trade For Him Now!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by CHAMPBOY, May 29, 2023.

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Would you trade for Jaylen Brown now? Great low value to buy?

  1. Make the Trade!

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  2. Nope. Trust the Process.

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  1. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Member

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    There is no rule. But like with any sports team management, you take risks. You have to always take a risk betting on a young core. You take a risk by giving up on them and cashing in early. There is risk either way of being wrong.
     
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  2. dmoneybangbang

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    Why?

    What if we can keep 2 out of 3 of young core?
     
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    Because every decision in the NBA comes with uncertainty.

    With Brown, you are asking to trade a young piece for a win now player who has some of the worst tunnel vision in the league for a player of his caliber on a team that needs veterans who have basketball IQ. Brown isn't that type of veteran. He is someone you add when you have a roster ready to win now
     
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  4. dmoneybangbang

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    No, why do you ALWAYS need to take a risk betting on a young core? What does that even mean?

    Who is clearly better than anyone we have now and is still in the top 25 range when healthy. Pretty much anyone not in the top 10 will have these kinds of weaknesses and require other veterans. However, great news! We don't have to solve all the Rockets issues in one off season.....

    My position is to keep an open mind on it and at least see what the cost is.
     
  5. sealclubber1016

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    Brown doesn't want to come here, and I don't want him here.
     
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  6. fchowd0311

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    Sure field offers. See if the Celtics would bite on just the 4th pick along with guys like KMJ and Garuba and see if they bite without offering Green, Sengun, Bari and possibly Tari.
     
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    I know you are going to scoff at this as I already know you are somewhat disappointed in Green but there are only two reasons Jaylen Brown is better than someone like Green at the moment: A lot more years of strength and conditioning training and learning his spots on the floor where he can get a consistent good shot off.


    But you can already make a case that sophmore 20 year old Green is a better ball handler with less tunnel vision than the current prime version of Brown. Green just has more naturally basketball offensive talent and is already better than a much more experienced Brown in certain aspects like ball handling. And Green is in the state of rapid development so he will most likely be a completely different level of player in 2 years unlike with Brown who is almost maxed out to his full potential. He might have one more small jump in level of play within him at age 26.
     
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    It's hard to know what's in Brown's head. He very well might like the idea of at least knowing for the next two seasons he's the clear 1A option on a team. Though guys like Green or Sengun can change that quickly with a big third year jump.
     
  9. carl_herrera

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    It's fun and interesting to talk about trading for Jaylen -- how he'd fit, what's the right trade value, does he fit our timeline etc. But by a huge margin the thing that matters the most is, does Jaylen 100% want to commit to be in Houston long-term over any other team?

    If that's true, that's awesome, we should acquire him one way or another. Either via trade this summer or via free agency next summer.

    If he hasn't 100% chosen Houston, we're not going to trade for him if it costs the #4 pick. Simple as that. No team has ever given up top 4 pick value for a 1 year audition. And there have been much better players traded on expiring contract 1 year "auditions" than Jaylen Brown.

    So until that reporting comes out that he's trying to engineer a move to Houston via trade or free agency, like AD did to LA, this is all moot.
     
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    It seems to me that if he wants out for some reason, he's probably looking to go to Atlanta, not Houston. That's where he's originally from, and it's a more attractive destination, both as a city and for basketball reasons.
     
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    Yeah you'd basically need Jaylen to publicly commit himself to Houston or for Jaylen's agency to be running our front office, like AD with the Lakers.

    It'd be completely out of the blue. And hard to believe Jaylen would be excited about Tilman, for political reasons which matter a lot to Jaylen.

    Much more reason to believe Jaylen could feel that way about Atlanta. Portland also more likely.
     
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    I guess it comes down to the fact I think we can get more out of trading our players if they develop as I think they will. Of course, I could be wrong, but I really do believe our core of Green/Jabari/Sengun will go on to become a great 3-man core that can take us deep. And if we choose to trade them later, I think we'll get more value than we would right now.
     
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    If Stone is looking to make a second James Harden trade, then he should keep in mind that for all the bullshit, Harden failed to win a title. Therefore, you need to get a guy who will be better than Harden if you want to secure a championship.

    Jalen Brown is yet to shoot above 59% TS% for any year in his career, despite being a second option behind Tatum for nearly his entire career. Harden, at the same age (26, going on 27 next year), Harden, in comparison, never had a TS% below 59.8% outside of his rookie year by Brown's age.

    Brown is also a significantly worse playmaker than Harden as well, at age 26, Brown posted a 16.5% AST% to 12% TOV%, Harden in that same year had a 35.4% AST% to a 16% TOV%, a 2-1 ratio compared to Brown's 4-3.

    Scoring is close, when adjusted to per-36 minutes. 26 PPG for Brown vs 27 PPG for Harden, on 57% vs 60% TS.

    Let's not forget Brown only played over 72 games twice in his career, and hasn't reached over 67 since 2019. Harden for all his faults was an ironman during his Houston days.

    Harden's age 26 season was a noted down year for him, bookended by MVP runner ups in 2014-15 and 2016-17.

    Harden's advanced stats, even at 22, blow Browns out of the water for any year in his career.

    The only thing they have in common is that their last series before leaving was a ugly series loss to Miami, both shot quite poorly, though Harden wasn't awful from 3 or the FT line, four years younger, and going up against the prime Heatles. Regardless, we thought that with expirence, the lights would dim for Harden eventually. We were wrong.

    Regardless, Brown is not a #1 guy, and if the Harden trade was ultimately a failure, I can't agree with giving up even more (Green, Sengun, Smith Jr.) for a worse player. Keep in mind as well that we got Harden at 23, we'll get Brown for his age 27 season.
     
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  14. CHAMPBOY

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    Kawhi Leonard was 26 or 27 when he went to Toronto to win a championship, Kawhi was always a #2 or #3 player on those Spurs teams but became the MAN in Toronto. Brown might need HIS team to become that #1 guy.
     
  15. Tuckmose

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    Delusional.

    Leonard was the obvious best player on those Spurs teams from 2015 (arguably 2014) onward. Not one man on planet earth can tell me LMA was the top dog on those Spurs teams from 2015-2017.
     
  16. fchowd0311

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    Kawhi had an actual jump in usage rate. Brown has a usage rate of a number one option already. Anymore and he's a Heliocentric player which he definitely isn't capable of.
     
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    He was not part of the BIG 3…Duncan, Parker and Manu.
     
  18. marinara

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    He wants to be paid and treated like the #1 option. Won’t win a ring with him as #1, don’t do it. Simple.
     
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    Kawhi was finals MVP in 2014.
     
  20. carl_herrera

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    Kawhi was 3rd in MVP voting, best player on a 61 win team, and an obvious top 5 player in the NBA the year before he was traded. Kawhi wasn't just miles better than Brown is right now, he was 1 or 2 tiers above current Tatum.
     
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