Jalen Green wouldn't mind the Rockets drafting Amen Thompson

Everything is basic, the TRUTH is simple and not complex as the so called know it alls proclaim to be

You don't have to attend Harvard to realize 1+1 = 2 or that America isn't a new world discovered

Just like batting avg and home runs have been kept track since B Ruth era, why not change it since everything is so complex now to the said casual fan?

If a player is totting a batting avg like Gwynn or prime Ichiro/M Ramirez then you know he can rake, if a player is batting .215 then you know he struggles at the plate, if a player is batting .230 with 40 bombs then you know he can't rake like the player batting .320 with 35+ bombs and is more boom or bust

How is that getting laughed out of the room? Oh the Einstein's of the world seem to know something that the eye test with the stats to match can't comprehend, so its hidden in the many alphabet gangs they create to say what was already there, which was taken from the raw numbers and twisted up to fit whatever the imagination desires

Nobody is trying or needs to build a case for Green, because I don't recall anyone claiming he was the next Messiah hyped up to take over the NBA torch, that's all in your fanatical thoughts to I guess continue your perpetual diatribe that you have against wanting Mobley over Green

Green is going to be as good as he aspires to be, and based on the call he gave to Ime, he seems to be aware of doing that, especially since he basically told the front office this is what the type of coach they needed

And citing ppg combined with rpg/apg/spg is the foundation in basketball from elementary to nba, including w-l record

which you can dissect a teams w-l record and see how many strong or weak teams you have beaten so then that can be casually (or Einstein) twisted up to either tear or prop up the team overall record

 

LOL, do I really have to explain why basic b**** stats can give false impressions of a player?

IF someone has a .215 batting average but their OBP is .800, they are probably the best, most feared hitter in the history of the sport.

Looking at it from a basic b**** casual standpoint, you'd probably argue that a .250 hitter with a .300 OBP is better....you know, because batting average.

There's a reason why casuals stick to the basic b**** understanding of the game....and that's fine, but again, it's going to get you laughed at by those who know better.

You see Jalen Green's 40 point performances number in a vacuum and you suggest he's a budding superstar....that of course ignores efficiency and defense, and basically everything that really matters....something I would expect form a teenage casual fan, maybe.

Sorry, that's just not going to move the needle in a conversation outside of middle school.

Keep following basketball though, one of these days I'm sure you'll get a deeper understanding of what is happening on the court.

 

Rocket fans wouldn't mind Jalen Green becoming a net neutral player on both ends of the floor.

 

you are a clutch forum comedian, everybody on here is a casual parading as a sports scholar or genius or bitter fanatic(water boy style)

Getting on base and scoring is the name of the game in mlb, but nobody in their right mind is going to look at .215 batting avg as being feared hitter, maybe that batter has a knack for racking up a lot of BOBs

Its also fine that fake genius's use their new age alphabet groups to showcase their simple point, I look at both sides of the coin

just like when evaluating players you take the game film/eye test with both sides of the stats(raw/alphabet gangs), but one side of the coin is what I put more stock into just from self experience being game planned for with having a talented and also not so talented team

The way you rant on here is akin to a middle schooler, the way you evaluate a player every 30 games is middle school fast food logic, the way you prop up one scrub over a another scrub is kindergarten-ish

Lets keep it middle school, that seems to be your expertise

You see Jalens 40 pt game and instead of showing props, you use middle school logic and say well every player gets lucky, or will say good game but I doubt he can do this ever again, or whatever else you may say to keep Mobley in your dreams and your status as KPJ waterboy

When KPJ had that 50 piece did you think he was a budding superstar?

Has KPJ even had a 40 PT game since that 50 piece against Bucks?

 

my biggest concern about JG is mentality. He’s a confidence player who loses his confidence often. Seems very sensitive and thin skinned. Tari, Jabari have that dawg in them. Jalen not so much, from what I’ve seen. And frankly it’s why I have less confidence in him than the 3 other players in our core. Just feel like there’s a decent chance he doesnt hit his potential. Hopefully Udoka will be good for Jalen that way. Toughen up that mentality. But anyway I hope folks are surrounding him with encouragement and positive energy.

 

I can see Green evolving into a Curry type of mindset. Never gonna be that hyper-competitive, will bite a man's arm off for the ball, Jimmy Butler type of dawg, but as he matures into a grown man (he's still basically a boy) hopefully he can learn to have a playful swagger and just let things flow.

 

Josh Giddey was a bad Shooter from 3 but he improved so much since then.

Amen Thompson really looks like Penny Hardaway, a really talented Point Guard.
Shooting the 3 will improve with Hard Work.

 

I understand your argument that original statistical measurements are incomplete, but that is also true of many advanced metrics and even eye ball tests. And many can be biased or incorrect due to the data sample used/collected.

I just think jumping on someone just because they using a particular metric and belittling them because of it doesn't get anyone anywhere.

 

I think American capitalist grindset culture has created a phenomenon where people are so used to the baseline of people faking "toughness" or faking "being hard".


You understand it's really easy for a player to say "nah man, I'll do a dunk contest while diagnosed with stage 3 lung cancer because I'm tuff". You understand that's like an obvious thing to say. It's easy. Everyone who wants to express to the public that "I'm hard people" they will say these things. We deep down understand it's marketing bs but for someone reason we expect someone to say stuff like that or else it just feels odd.

I think gen z compared to prior generations don't really care about showing the fake toughness. It's cheesy. It's robotic.


People don't need to vocally express in pr speak that they are hard workers who grind to be competitive. He doesn't care if he tells someone that the dunk contest isn't good for his legs. His goal isn't to sell you a personality.

 

Quite frankly as a dude who worked in a "machismo" work culture when I was in Marine infantry, this notion of speaking about your feelings and your sincere emotions about confidence etc makes you mentally weak was very toxic sentiment and a large reason why we had more deaths suicide related than combat related.

Don't confuse a player being frank and sincere with being mentally weak. Nothing on the court suggest Green to be mentally weak. How mentally weak would Tari and Bari look facing double teams and being the center of defensive attention?

 

Man I love how people with 9-5 desk jobs their entire lives have some insight on what type of "dawg" is needed to survive a hyper masculine boys club. It seems like outward fake toughness can fool a lot of you people.

 

He should have lied to me like LeBron that he would participate and hope we forget

 

Unless you are a professional player yourself, but even then, Scoot Henderson for example has a vastly different build. Different character, different way of life.

It is okay to be different but people recognize those characteristics being different.

Sports results are black and white, Jokic is now the winner but in the past he mostly crashed out of the playoffs.

 

What is "way of life"?

I just think the way players con people into a fake persona of hard work and toughness as pr campaigns is a deeply ingrained part of American culture and why we as a country are so suspectable to things like MLM schemes.

It's why I don't care about things like finger nail polish. Green simply doesn't care about selling a persona to you that invokes "he got dat dawg". That's all. He's not actively looking for that validation through how he speaks and his hobbies. He probably wants to show you his hard work through his improvement season to season.

 

That's probably straying too far but sports way of life has always been about winning it, winning it all.

Jokic was a playoff loser until he became a winner.

Some win it and some don't, that's how this works.

Not every team wins a title.

That is the most objective thing albeit some talks about asterisk titles.....

 

Exactly. It really has nothing to do with the pr campaign of trying to prove to people how much "dawg you got in them". There is no correlation to people who actively trying to sell that image and winning.

 

It is not the dawg thing but like when you were in school the guy who was girly was being mocked, bullied or whatever.... Happens and try move on.

 

That's fair, I think if I considered that particular poster to be a good faith actor I'd be more charitable when it comes to his really bad arguments. I don't think for a second that he truly believes what he's saying, he's just REALLY invested in a false narrative and he'll push it no matter how little he has to work with.

Obviously what you are saying is true, many metrics and just about any "eyeball test" can be incomplete or biased, but that's why you need to be using the best available rather than just looking for anything that pushes a narrative. That's why I tend to stick to the same things no matter what player I'm talking about, it's a way to control for possible bias.

 

I mean he won't he doesn't have the dog in him. He's a pretty boy.