Gorsuch Condemns 'Breathtaking' COVID Emergency Powers That Crushed Civil Liberties "Since March 2020, we may have experienced the greatest intrusions on civil liberties in the peacetime history of this country," Gorsuch wrote. That might be an exaggeration, but it isn't far off. https://reason.com/2023/05/19/gorsu...mergency-powers-that-crushed-civil-liberties/
Appreciate you sharing that here, Os, sincerely. Would like to keep learning more about Gorsuch and how he thinks. But in terms of this specific, hyperbole... wow. ... I admit falling for the bait. The "peacetime history of this country" included chattel slavery, legal spousal rape, company towns, poor houses, indentured servitude, and many other delights. Kudos to NG for at least throwing "peacetime" into the mix.
I can sort of see where he's getting at with the sweeping powers the government took to contain Covid under both presidents. Though Roberts presided over a court that allowed Bush's nebulous forever War on Terror to run roughshod over our civil liberties. He kept us safe. Orly? Thanks Papa Biden!
I guess by its nature public policy decisions feel more ominous than the completely non-public-on-purpose ones. Someone asking you to stay home or wear a mask in indoor settings creates a lot more anxiety that people not knowing what obscure things have changed slightly in the COBOL code in their cell phones or something similar. LOL.
Man it's one of those things where we know social media, through one tweet, has the potential to shout fire in a thousand crowded theaters across the nation. I honestly don't know anymore how much better or worse we are from post-9/11 intel "reform", though you don't see leadership from the distrustful Right wanting to turn back the entire Patriot Act like they do with Covid protocols. Success for both are generally determined pre-emptively rather than some macabre metric of tallied wins and losses. As for silver lining, I am grateful that we still live in a system where politicians are worried about voters kicking them out for these policies, thus indicating we still have agency to choose our leaders and their perceptions of public safety. It didn't take a court with a majority of white dudes* to "save us". This crazy system might be a feature rather than a bug... *Clarence was picked during the 1990 racial draft
This thread does not age very well. Now that we have learned so much from the last 3 horrible years of this scamdemic. We have learned that liberals in here are fools and easily manipulated and ready to do whatever the F the ruling class is telling them.
at this too.... pancreatic cancer is one of the hardest type of cancer to treat. Hopefully, this will eventually lead to successful cancer treatment based on mRNA. It might be necessary to rename it using a different term, avoiding the use of 'mRNA,' to assist individuals with mRNA phobia. Pancreatic Cancer Vaccine Shows Promise in Small Initial Trial - Scientific American
He's not ALL wrong and context REALLY matters. Does anyone want to revisit what the US government did during the Spanish Flu pandemic, which caused fewer American deaths compared to the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic? Does anyone want to imagine a future zombie-like pandemic where the government is not granted extraordinary power to protect public health? 2019 wasn't outside the historic norm. What's different is the reaction, and unfortunately, it means that in the next pandemic, there could be more avoidable deaths and long-term illnesses because people don't understand the historical norm that society has long agreed upon - giving the government extraordinary power to safeguard public health. It would make perfect sense to examine instances of overreach and abuse and determine measures to keep them in check for future health crises. However, based on my reading here, it's obviously incorrect from the very beginning to be extremely fearful that the US government will never relinquish the power it enacted to handle the health crisis - it was indeed released, period. Did we make mistakes? Absolutely. Due to the nature of unknown and rapidly evolving health crises, we almost always make mistakes. Keeping schools closed for an extended period was probably one of those things that was wrong. But apart from that, I can't think of much else that we did wrong. Masking was mostly an inconvenience and not a significant issue. Hospitals not allowing family members to visit, in my opinion, was wrong, but those were private-sector decisions, not government-pushed. @B-Bob succinctly pointed out where he IS wrong. I would just add the Great Depression era and the civil right era. Using 'peacetime' also implies that there were even worse intrusions on civil liberties during 'wartime' (Japanese internment camps), and that was deemed acceptable because the demands of war justified those intrusions to protect the nation and preserve lives. Strictly in terms of numbers, pandemics have claimed more American and global lives than wars. Moreover, it is not far-fetched to imagine a pandemic capable of wiping out all of humanity. Why then should the government not be granted as extensive power during a health crisis as during a war?
If the leftists on this thread were honest to themselves and not blind followers of "the current thing" and "whoever governs", they would admit that they were idiots. I believed the stuff (lockdowns etc.) at the beginning of the pandemic, but seriously...
If you're objective about it, the lockdowns ended in June 2020, vaccines rolled up Dec 2020, and it took 2 more years for life to go back to "normal" country wide. But it's as normal as it is going to be. I wish more than anything this pandemic never happened. It was like multi thermonuclear bombs went off, despite there being no physical destruction. I still find random flyers and posters advertising for events in March 2020 at work.
Haven't kept up with this thread....so did anyone die during this pandemic or was it all a hoax? Looking for hindsight answers.
This is scary as hell. The saddest part is we let these fukkers scared us into giving up our bodies, our livelihood, our families, our children, our dignity and ultimately our freedoms.
OMG, exaggerate much, dude if you did all that then you're the fool. Personally, the only thing that changed for me was wearing a mask at HEB during the lockdown and getting a few shots. I went to work as normal, did everything I normally do besides missing out on some movies and concerts. You act like you gave up your whole life. Over a million Americans died of Covid and almost 7 million around the world died...........so a little precaution is not unheard of, were some of the things over the top, sure, but we were in uncharted territory. I am just glad I didnt try and inject any chemicals in my body like orange man wanted.................maybe it would have been different if trump and team had been honest from the get-go instead of lying as he normally does.
