If we lose out on Harden, the next two years will be miserable around here. A couple of 30 win seasons, no compensating draft picks. And a **** ton of whining / complaining.
I hear you and I would love some of those players as well. There are lots of key guys that are going to be surprisingly available this off-season.
That's a lot of certainty to have about an uncertain situation. A lot can happen in two years. Heck, a lot can happen in the next two months that could change that outlook, even excluding Harden.
this is the conversation I want to have if we don’t grab Scoot, Wallace, or Black in the draft. Fultz is intriguing. He’s a late bloomer but he plays some defense and his efficiency improved a lot last year. He’s not a long range shooter but does everything else well. Takes care of the ball; I think he’s a great target.
Oh yes please save us James your the franchise savior (being sarcastic in case it went over your head)
if they're forced to sign some reject scrubs to overpaid deals, I doubt they even reach 30 wins tbh. Gift okc with top draft picks while theyre at it. but CF's will try to spin the likes of these insignificant players as great. Just like they were happy signing scrubs like Theiss and Wood. this is a very huge offseason that can make or break whether or not the rockets are showing signs of taking steps forward or still being sorry af and tack on additional years than already in place before there are any true tell signs of getting better
I definitely believe Harden is not coming to Houston, we need to hope for Scoot or Van Vleet from Toronto
I think trading is the more practical route. But there is cheap young talent going out the door that affects your window. So the trade off is gettin Jaylen Brown instead of James Harden worth Jalen Green and some picks... I think so but others would never trade the messiah even for Giannis because Giannis is too old.
Just throwing out sht and acting like it's better than Harden. Cp3 is as big of a choker as harden if not more, man always get injured in playoffs and is older with a sht contract. Trae young can't even carry his own team and is considered a locker room cancer and does not play defense. Caruso, the bulls are lacking a pg they aren't giving up a cheap contract in Caruso. Man is averaging 5.0 pts a season. We need an actual pg. Fultz? We have folks btching about Jalen green being a bust, this man is the number one pick and he's a okay at best and is widely considered a bust by the community. Cole Anthony? If the magic a tanking team and is trading him why the fk would we go for him. Coby White? The bulls are lacking pgs due to ball being out long term they are in no position to give up their pgs. Lillard? This Fool couldn't even make playoffs this year and achieved even less in the playoffs than Harden who is considered a choker. Folks really b throwing rando names out there as sht alternatives to not sign harden. I rather we overpay for reaves than waste assets If folks are against Harden.
Why are you asking me questions dude? Your position is: - we must sign him immediately, - there's no one in the NBA we can get and - there's no one in the NBA we'll ever get, and - if we were able to get a star in one year it would be too far down the road anyway so f*ck that. So if that's the case for you, what are we discussing here? You're literally making the case nothing good can happen except signing James Harden. It would be easier to convert the Dalai Lama to Islam right now than it would be to have a real discussion with you about this. I'm good. You win. I'm sure it is not possible to convince you, and if for you that means you win, here's the medal. Thanks.
Sure, if we flip the team for a bunch win now guys, it could be drastically different. But outside of that, it's a realistic take. Even if we land Wemby, you can expect big minutes from him next season, and big minutes from rookies usually always means not very many wins. Jabari will get better, but will probably be a 50/50 guy like Green was this year. And then you hope Green can move into being a consistent offensive engine. That is a recipe for a pretty bad team (that doesn't have its draft pick)
So it's not cheap young talent you have to trade for a star? We are in trouble then because we have no expensive old players to trade. I state the obvious and you figure out a way to debate it by just attacking me for even suggesting it.
So it's not cheap young talent you have to trade for a star? We are in trouble then because we have no expensive old players to trade. I state the obvious and you figure out a way to debate it by just attacking me for even suggesting it.
With Harden we win maybe 35? 40? Yes we would improve with him as we haven't had an actual point guard in forever. But, he's getting older and has a long history of big fails in the playoffs with very nice teams around him. When he doesn't get his way in even the slightest way he morphs into a 6 year old over and over and over again wanting out.
Oh stop it dude. Your position is: - we must sign him immediately, - there's no one in the NBA we can get and - there's no one in the NBA we'll ever get, and - if we were able to get a star in one year it would be too far down the road anyway so f*ck that. You're essentially setting up a little game where you ask questions and you know you're going to reject the answers beforehand. That might be fun for you and others might get stuck in that loop with you, but it's really boring for me. If you have any suggestions for what we can do other than sign Harden, let me know. Thanks.
I frankly see Harden as someone who has a lot of very relevant information for Jalen Green to absorb. He can show him how to read the floor, improve his handle, slow the game down, trick defenders. Harden when at practice and at games is a professional. That is when Green will mostly interact with him. He doesn't have to be a model Christiaan family man to pass down this knowledge. CP3 would have been ideal because he could show Green how to live a disciplined lifestyle that improves your fitness. What makes elite all time scoring guards like MJ and Kobe great is their elite stamina where by the end of games they still got that energy to do a full court run chase down block with their head over the rim in a game 6 in a conference finals after a 82 game season. Jimmy Butler has that same trait in terms of fitness to be absolute bonkers when everyone else is dead tired. He just doesn't have the natural talent and skill those 2 posses so he will never be the dominant offensive weapon those two were.
Every season brings new disgruntled star(s)… new RFAs…. Why is that all of a sudden going to stop if we don’t sign Harden?
He isn't coming here to be 2010-2018 Harden. There is no illusion that this a championship level roster and that how he performs in the playoffs is in any way relevant. He is simply coming to be a PG who can make good decisions and get people in the right spots, and show the team what winning looks and feels like. 40 wins is playin territory. That should be the goal. The clock has officially started on this "core". That is immediate relevant important experience, which we would otherwise have to wait 2-3 years for. People can argue that he will teach some bad habits. I disagree. I think they will learn quicker what it means to be in competitive races. Hell, I am still wide open to other alternatives, the problem is, there aren't really any good ones. This is the least worst option.
