At the moment the “massive invasion” that was supposed to overwhelm our border doesn’t appear to be happening. Things could obviously change and it’s not clear if it is the Biden’s Admins policies preventing this but I certainly think they are playing a role. I still think these policies at most are short term policies that are more reactive than long term strategy. We still need to decide what we want this country to be. Our we an inward looking country fearful of being overrun or are we an outward looking country that can handle bringing in more people.
Astro123 has got to be the biggest bully cheerleader for Joey B? Who has the time to respond to every post remotely critical of his beloved adult diaper wearer?
From June 2011 through December 2018, illegal immigrants were convicted of 168 homicide charges in Texas (which during that period was one of the only jurisdictions that tracked and reported the immigration status of criminal defendants (source). How many white supremacists in Texas were convicted of homicide in the same 7.5 year period? I couldn't find an exactly comparable stat for white supremacist homicide convictions. According the the ADL, from 2012 to 2021 there were 243 white supremacist murders nationwide (source). That is a slightly longer time period (1.5 additional years), but more importantly covers all 50 states. Unless Texas has more than 70% of all illegal immigrant homicides, it would seem that illegal immigrants represented a greater threat (at least in terms of killing) than white supremacists. Regardless of their relevant threat levels, neither group represents a terribly significant threat compared to run of the mill criminal street gangs, which kill more people in one year than those groups combined to kill over about eight.
The Wall wouldn't do ****. There seems to be this idea that the Wall would keep people from crossing the border, it wouldn't. There have been sections of the existing Wall that have been cut through, destroyed etc.
Agreed. There can be maneuvering about who is and isn't let in - but the reality is that the USA will need immigrants. If we look at the history of the USA, when the USA has decided on who gets in and who doesn't, it isn't always pretty.
"Fences have never worked, why would anyone build one!" I do agree walls are more effective when monitored, with drones and personnel. I don't understand why the military isn't manning the border full time. Defending a border is a fundamental function of an army.
The army isn't involved because it's not an invasion, however desperate you want it to be. It would be much more effective if funding were provided. The Biden administration has proposed half a billion dollars for border security technology and additional funding for Border Patrol Agents. While Republican politicians give lip service to more border security, they are proposing to cut $4 billion from Customs and Border Protection. So not only are they unwilling to support the Biden administration's increase in border security, but they are also cutting into existing funding.
"invasion"..... "menace"......... "evil team" .... "threat". They must teach a class on twitter for alarmist vocabulary.... it is like listening to a radio show from the 1930's.
Yes, if the USA decides that they want to build a wall and to prevent illegal immigration at the Southern Border, the military will need to be involved. I don't know how fundamental it is for a military to man a border anymore, I think it depends on the relationship with the bordering nation.
Can someone refresh my memory on why it's a bad thing to permit entry for the tired, poor, huddled masses yearning to breathe free?
The argument is that they have limited education, limited skill sets, they are poor and may be dependent on government assistance. It is the reason that a lot of other countries have strict requirements for immigrants. However, the USA has been very successful not being as restrictive and I do believe there is something to immigrants from bad situations being hungrier than those from more ideal situations.
Thanks for the reasoned response. I'm guessing the bad part about letting them in is that poor white folk receiving government assistance in GOP-run states might have to share it?
I've been trying explain for 5 pages in this thread that bidens policies are *tougher* than trumps because they have a real deterrence factor. Under title 42 there was *NO PUNISHMENT* for failed entry. Under bidens new policies its a automatic 5 year ban and jail next time. This is causing people not to come. Imagine if you got caught speeding and there was no ticket. That was the old system under trump. There was no punishment factor. Now If you get caught speeding you get a ticket aka banned from reentry and possible prison. If you follow POLICIES like I do then all thus stuff is easy predictable which is what I said. Lay down the conspiracies and foxnews @Commodore @Astrodome
I'm glad you asked. Certainly not all of them, but I'm willing to do my part for those in need. You can too: https://www.roomforrefugees.com/how-it-works https://borgenproject.org/3-ways-to-host-refugees-in-your-own-home/ https://www.freedomforimmigrants.org/sponsor-freedom
Democrats asked for 200 more judges to quickly process the migrants. Republicans rejected them which is why we can't process claims at border. The wait time to see a judge is roughly 2 years. Biden proposed a one hour wait to see a judge. Show up at border and a judge would decide quickly if you are eligible or not. Republicans refused funding and slashed border security in their upcoming budget. Until biden gets proper funding (which he wont) he has to keep this remain in Mexico system in place. I just don't get why right wingers aren't more happy with biden. His policies are literally more tough than trumps
Well there is certainly for some people an element of basic racism - but the converse to that argument is that we cannot pick the people that are already citizens and are on aid, but we can certainly be picky with who we want to become Americans. That is how a lot of the world is when it comes to immigration and I can even understand that line of thinking in a bubble. The problem is that often times racism seeps into the equation, and beyond that - the USA has been very successful when not picky about who is let in. The dirty truth is that there were a lot of Americans that were not happy when the Scots were immigration 200 years ago. Then a lot of Americans were not happy when the Germans immigrated 150 years ago. Then a lot of Americans were not happy about all the Catholics from Italy and Ireland 100 years ago. Then 60 years ago a lot of Americans were not happy about all the Puerto Ricans. Then 30 years ago Americans were not happy with so many Mexican immigrants. At the end of the day, people in general in the USA don't like immigrant groups until those groups assimilate or all the people that don't like them die off.
People are averse to immigrants, especially illegal immigrants, in every country in the world. Including immigrants the same skin color as them. It's another "America bad, but I don't know anything about the rest of the world" things. The only exception I can think of is Canada that only has one real border, that with the wealthiest country on earth and deals only with immigration it wants or not at all. A privilege basically no other country in the world enjoys but they sure like to act smug about it. Though assuredly some in Canada are anti-immigrant as well.
Immigration has led to right wing governments forming up all around the world. Its not racist to have a secure border or know whos coming into your country. Folks on the left get their feelings hurt too quckily and yell racist when alot of the time its real concern people have.
