[Cornel West] DeSantis’s Revolutionary Defense of the Classics

okay. second part of the lol

this is hilarious. hilariously one-sided.

 

third aspect of the original lol

the DeSantis hook is Cornel West trolling the predictable, usual suspects. Sweet Lou apparently falls into that category. Which I personally find funny. your mileage may vary

 

I was being polite. a colleague likes to state it as "never argue with assholes" . . . but you are not an *******.

others here though . . . if the shoe fits

 

no. Western civilization and "Christianity" are intertwined, historically. You absolutely CANNOT understand certain critical aspects of human history without having an understanding of certain aspects of religious history.

NOBODY is forcing a high school student to take the CLT. Hence your "separation of church and state" comment is laughable. hence the lol

 

the rest of it goes, "you get shat on, and the other person is still an ******* when you're done"

 

https://www.insidehighered.com/admi.../21/classic-learning-test-aims-challenge-sat#

October 20, 2019
The Classical Alternative to the SAT
Can a new alternative, grounded in Western culture, take off?
By Scott Jaschik

The last academic year, about 21,000 students took a college entrance exam that was not the SAT or the ACT. They took the Classic Learning Test, an alternative to the establishment tests.

Twenty-one thousand sounds like a lot of students, and it was only the third year the test was offered. The test had more than 10,000 students in its second year, and a little more than 1,000 in its first.

That's a nice rate of growth, but more than two million students took the SAT last year, and about the same took the ACT. (Some took both.)

So what is this new test? And can it challenge those that have long dominated the college preparatory test market? While many educators (and the founders of the new test) love to complain about the SAT and the ACT, those tests are continuing to innovate. And a note on the 21,000: they are mostly private high school students.

The Test

The test covers verbal reasoning, grammar/writing and quantitative reasoning. It takes two hours to complete (compared to three hours for the SAT and two hours, 55 minutes, for the ACT -- plus time for the essay portion). The cost is $54, more than the SAT and ACT without the essay but less than it costs with the essay. And, like the other tests, CLT has 10th-grade and 8th-grade versions.

While the reduced time may attract some students, the nature of the questions will attract others.

Questions on the verbal reasoning section, for example, might come from an Albert Einstein speech in 1921 or from Pope John Paul II's statement in 1984 or feature questions on Machiavelli's The Prince.

To those who would question whether there is too much of a focus on Western culture, as it's been traditionally defined, the test makes no apologies.

"The CLT is far from value-neutral: it challenges test-takers to think critically about our intellectual tradition, and to engage with it morally and ethically," says a book with practice tests. "Why the focus on Western culture? Because it is the tradition that has most influenced the culture and development of the United States. The CLT's focus on this tradition presents students with ideas, topics, and issues that [they] will encounter repeatedly in college and beyond."

Jeremy Tate, chief executive officer of the exam, said he started the business in 2015. He had been working in the test-prep industry and was struck by the dissatisfaction of many with the SAT and ACT.

"As a guy who loves philosophy" and the classics, and who knows others who do, it was easy to find supporters.

Frank Batten Jr. (his late father founded the Weather Channel) and Michael Ortner (a tech entrepreneur) were key early backers.

The test is produced in-house, out of a small office in Annapolis, Md., which Tate notes is the home of St. John's College, one of the 172 colleges that accept the test. But unless they are applying to say, Hillsdale College (which shares many of the CLT's values), it is used more as a supplement than exclusively. The other colleges that will look at it include the predictable (Wheaton College of Illinois) but also some public institutions (Christopher Newport University).

The Challenge

Most of the students who take the CLT today are private school students, homeschooled or charter school students. Less than 1 percent attend public schools. Eighty-five percent are white.

Tate says his plan is to start with the private schools and then to expand with a push on the noncharter publics, which he very much wants.

Also, he is aware that having 85 percent of his students be white does not make his students desirable to most colleges. Tate says the demographics of his students will change when more schools embrace the CLT.

For now, he draws strength from Keith Nix, headmaster of the Veritas School in Richmond, Va. Every student there takes the CLT -- although most also take the SAT.

"What attracted me to it was that it's like the SAT 30 to 40 years ago," he said. "It's rich, robust work. I love the analogies. I love the logic. And they need to demonstrate some understanding of philosophy."
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I disagree. and perhaps it would just be best to agree to disagree

 

yeah, because when high school students go through college and enter the "real world," quote-unquote, and then don't understand why there are deep cultural divisions over such things as abortion, we can all wonder why the secular education those students have received leaves them ill-prepared to deal with "real world" moral complexities

 

hope you're not offended if I lol again

 

lol. again.

the history of "Western Civilization" of the past 500 years is a story of "expanding the circle" of who counts. With the antecedent "rights of Englshmen" implied in Magna Carta etc etc., the circle has slowly been expanded into a much larger notion of universal human rights that include non-English males, women (eventually), non-whites, and members of all cultures and races.

The fact that Hebrew and Christian values and historical concepts such as the imago dei are crucially intertwined and wound up in that story is part of being educated. I'm sorry, but that's about as simply as I can state the issue.

Misreading history as an expression or outcome of "secular empathy humanistic values" is just laughable. Sorry.