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[Cornel West] DeSantis’s Revolutionary Defense of the Classics

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  1. Os Trigonum

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    https://www.wsj.com/articles/desant...eat-books-275268d9?mod=hp_opin_pos_3#cxrecs_s

    DeSantis’s Revolutionary Defense of the Classics
    Promoting the Western canon shouldn’t only be a Republican talking point.
    By Cornel West and Jeremy Wayne Tate
    May 12, 2023 at 5:38 pm ET

    Gov. Ron DeSantis just gave a welcome boost to the classical-education movement. He signed legislation allowing high-school students to qualify for Bright Futures scholarships, a state fund for college education, by submitting scores from the Classic Learning Test instead of the SAT alone.

    This move will likely be portrayed, wrongly, as partisan and conservative. But the greatest works of civilization have always been about spurring—not preventing—radical change. They teach us about the revolutionary ideas of the past and help us better understand the present. The richest ideas of what it means to be human are those that have stood the test of time.

    Many of the seminal works of literature, history, philosophy, science and theology were revolutionary in their respective ages. Turn the pages of Galileo Galilei’s “Two New Sciences” and you’ll experience the alteration of humanity’s view of itself in relation to the heavens. By disproving the then-common belief that the planets revolved around the Earth rather than the sun, Galileo laid the foundation for modern science. Isaac Newton, swept aside what remained of the Old World’s scientific superstitions—only to find himself upstaged two centuries later by Albert Einstein’s “Relativity.”

    Like revolutionary ideas today, the ideas of yesterday were provocative and, in many cases, much more consequential. Galileo was put on trial because he upset the status quo. In the 13th century, Bishop Stephen Tempier of Paris condemned key works of theologian Thomas Aquinas for being too radical. Soviet dissident Alexander Solzhenitsyn and civil-rights activist Martin Luther King Jr. were imprisoned for their views. In colonial America, James Madison and his co-authors feared printing their names on the Federalist Papers, so they hid under aliases. Even the most mild-mannered of philosophers stirred trouble for thinking against the grain. Plato watched his great teacher Socrates put to death for his teachings.

    Revolutionary figures of the past give us insight into the present and allow for reflection on the consequences of their choices. Julius Caesar, one of antiquity’s most recognizable leaders, teaches us the cost of revolution through his histories. By crossing into Rome with his armies, he ended the republic and created the Roman Empire, a crime for which he paid with his life. But in his firsthand descriptions of the often-brutal tactics he employed to achieve political transformation, he left behind deep insight. Caesar’s direct and simple prose conveys the reality of going to war—all without reference to contemporary conflicts.

    That’s one of the virtues of the classics: They are a means of considering what is true without invoking the blind partisanship that encourages thoughtless action. There is nothing we need more today than the cultivation of reason and understanding.

    That’s why Mr. DeSantis’s support of classic education has universal merit that transcends partisanship. Education based on values, logic and discipline isn’t Republican—it’s timeless.

    Mr. West holds a chair at Union Theological Seminary and serves on the board of academic advisers of the Classic Learning Test. Mr. Tate is founder and CEO of the Classic Learning Test.



     
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    RDS is often derided as Trump With a Human Face, but he's much more than that.

    not my first choice, and it remains to be seen how he plays on the national stage, but all the right (correct) people hate him, so I'm willing to be persuaded.
     
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  3. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    This would seem to be unconstitutional given CLT is meant to honor the “great classical and Christian tradition.” - clear violation of separation of church and state.

    Call it what it is - a scholarship for white christian culture. DeSantis and his White Power BS is getting tiring.
     
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    lol
     
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    Yes is agree that more people should read the classics and I agree too that most of the classics are revolutionary in nature and led to revolutions in this world thought. As we’ve seen though with the Bible and Quran classical books can also be used to enforce orthodoxy and suppress thought.

    As with those books there is a strong use of selective reading of classical text. The Bible including by DeSantis himself is a big example. Politicians like DeSantis love to talk about how Christian yet ignore biblical messages like “love they neighbor as you would love yourself”, “turn the other cheek” or “blessed are the meek”.

    I would also be interested in seeing which Classics that DeSantis is upholding given that DeSantis’s policies have led to pulling of books from schools and public libraries like To Kill A Mockingbird and Beloved. That are considered by many to be literary classics.
     
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    What's so funny? Have a test for Christian works is a Christian scholarship.

    I don't get why the need to eliminate black culture from Florida is something so many people support. I figured you'd be someone who would be against that movement honestly.
     
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    what, that wasn't a joke?
     
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    Wait this article isn't a joke?
     
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    https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2017/07/a-test-for-classical-christian-students


    When even the creator of the test explains it's a test based on Christian literature, IT IS a test based on Christian literature.

    The effort by DeSantis to wipe out all things non European and non Christian from education is sick.
     
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    studying Plato is White Christianist?
     
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    When the creator of the test says it's Christian content, I believe them.
     
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    I noticed a coping mechanism where you laugh off uncomfortable discussions with gaslighting techniques of making the poster feel as if their premise is so absurd to not even engage with.

    There is nothing absurd about his premise. Why do you find it beneath you to engage? Will it unearth some uncomfortable truths for you?
     
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    lol
     
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    you don't believe in the Christian Concept of Creation, but you believe Christian Content Creators?
     
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    No seriously why do you expect this one way street of wanting people to just engage with your views rather than the other way around? Is narcissism that big of a issue for you? Like I notice this from you. You always want people to engage with your articles and premises but never try to engage with others ideas.
     
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    pretty much the wrestle with pigs issue . . .
     
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    Both things could absolutely be true and still consistent.

    It isn't unusual or hypocritical to not believe in the literal fundamentalist view of creation, but to believe a Christian discussing what they have created.
     
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    okay, let's take the original lol

    CLT isn't a scholarship . . . it's a college entrance examination. Just like the SAT run by NOT the state but by the college board.

    Bright Futures scholarships are the
    scholarships.
     
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    Is that the narcissism in you that feels like others opinions are pig like and beneath you to engage?
     
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    Lol. First time I've been called a pig.
     

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