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Elon's biggest problem @ Twitter - he's not funny at tweeting

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Dec 2, 2022.

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  1. Amiga

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    Kids should not be on Twitter as there is p*rn on it. This is another reason why we need Congress to protect children from social media and other platforms that are very careless, and in Twitter's case, so childish about safety.
     
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  2. Space Ghost

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    Do wat? Now you're concerned about kids?

    There is also p*rn on the internet.
     
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  3. Amiga

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    :rolleyes: I see why you like Musk so much. Just childish.
     
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    Translation: Twitter agrees to suppress speech for the benefit of Erodogan days before the Turkey election

     
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    Musk's Twitter, proud supporter of government censorship.
     
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    I wonder what Elon gets out of it….some Turkish Delight?
     
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  7. Buck Turgidson

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    "All speech is free until is costs me money"
     
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  8. Space Ghost

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    Serious question.

    Is it better to have Twitter in Turkey with some form of suppression or should Twitter simply (and all Western countries for that matter) not offer social media services?

    There are two options - Do what Erodogan says or leave. Twitter policy does not supersede ANY countries laws. I really dont understand why some people think US law applies to the entire world.

    What Im hearing from these criticisms is that its better to let Erodogan (and pretty much every country that has a authoritarian government) run the media 100% than offer some form of partial free speech.
     
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    The third option is to put the suppression in place and operate in Turkey but also stop pretending like Twitter is or ever has taken a moral stand for free speech and that it is a core value of their business or business model. Stop broadcasting the censorship issues from only one side and not disclosing the censorship from the other side. Twitter could do that.
     
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  10. Amiga

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    It seems Musk is completely caving to gov censorship. That’s not a surprise since he said he will simply follow the local laws. That might be why there has been a sharp rise in request from gov to censor since Musk took over. Before Musk, there seems to be at least some pushback (50%) and less requests for censorship.

    If you are really a free speech absolutist, you would not cave at all.

    If you are a pragmatic, you weight the pro/con country by country.

    If you are after money, you simply follow the local rules and have no value to stand on yourself (other than making money).
     
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    So exposing kids on twitter is ok, but hey, dare not let them have a transgender person or someone in drag read them a book!
     
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    It is clear musk has principles except when politically or financially (or in this case, both) expedient.
     
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    This is he argument that media and other companies have made regarding business in the PRC.

    What we hear from any including many of those who defend musk is that companies continuing to do business in the PRC are sell outs.
     
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    Guarantee you that hiring an ad exec as your CEO pretty much assures the content is going to be friendly to the advertising industry (goodbye wild wild west of free speech on Twitter).
     
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    The way some people criticize Musk by saying that he doesn't hold to his principles of free speech absolutism the moment there is the slightest pushback from a authoritarian govt is going about criticizing Musk wrong. It implies that his free speech principles fail when given pushback by strong govts.


    The reality is the dude never valued free speech and used that term as a pure propaganda term to find an in with right wing sycophants. Musk learned a decade ago that he probably isn't going to get a cult of personality that would defend him for his horrible wealth accumulation by pandering to leftists and polite society liberals.
     
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    It’s free speech for me (and us) but not for you.
     
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    This is he argument that media and other companies have made regarding business in the PRC.

    What we hear from any including many of those who defend musk is that companies continuing to do business in the PRC are sell outs.
     
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    There are few who actually support free speech on principle. We see this with politicians who simultaneously decry the lack of free speech punish private entities for “woke” speech.
     
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    My core thesis remains here. Musk is not remotely funny, and frankly has no hope of every being so, because he actually makes things unfunny by his very association.

    This is why Elon Musk was always the worst possible person to own Twitter. Musk has long been one of the thirstiest, corniest, most tiresome posters on the site, which is saying quite a bit. More worryingly, though, Musk has used the site—relentlessly, exhaustingly, constantly—in a way that suggested he had no idea what it did, or how people actually used it, or even why they might. His posts were joke-shaped and troll-scented without ever containing humor or even identifiable trolling; his mentions were filled with supplicants and hangers-on, all talking over each other to promote their various business gambits and themselves, to the extent that any identifiable distinction existed. Musk's account increasingly alternated between fervid re-phrasings of reactionary cable news bugaboos—they're trying to make the Minions woke or whatever— and concerned-seeming replies to posts about the same dumb ****.

    His priorities, upon assuming control, seemed to resolve to firing as many people as possible and bringing the site into line with both his peculiar personal conception of order, his world-historically dire sense of humor, his opaque but ominous personal politics, and his cohort's metastatic sense of ambition, which dictated that every site's aspiration should be to become the entire internet. Musk moved quickly, and broke things—the things and systems and livelihoods he was determined to break, but also the technology that prevented the site from boosting animal torture videos. Everything got much worse, and much more like Musk's own posts and replies. "Basically, he’s taken all the good things about the site and made them very bad," Dan Ozzi wrote in his REPLY-ALT newsletter. "He invented problems that didn’t exist and ‘fixed’ them in the most comically disastrous fashion."
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    This is familiar. For all of Musk’s luridly corny extravagances, he has always been defined by his deficits. He wants very much to be funny, but manifestly is not; he wants to be seen as brilliant and heterodox and fearless, but has the opinions and tastes and politics of a very rich middle-aged man who isn’t especially curious or literate; he sees himself, or anyway sells himself, as a visionary and a pioneer, but has revealed himself time after time to be a classically cretinous capitalist. Musk's vision for humanity is grandiose and obscure; his impulse to stomp on anyone unlucky to find themselves working under him has always been more clearly and shamelessly expressed. His big ideas unfailingly reveal themselves to be either grubbing for state subsidy or "buy and pave a space, and put up a gate at the entrance." The first was off the table, and so Musk attempted to turn the free site he'd bought into a subscription-driven business.





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  20. Amiga

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    Yea, an auto reply on inquiries with a sh*t smiley isn’t funny. It’s childish and very immature.
     
    #520 Amiga, May 14, 2023
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