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Government showdown of 2023

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by astros123, May 9, 2023.

  1. astros123

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    This is what the GOP does. Hypocrites and snakes. Eff em
     
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  2. Space Ghost

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    Why does this remind me of the left? (except for a select few)

     
  3. NewRoxFan

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    Remind me - is it red or blue states that receive the most government assistance?
     
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    I will take RED for $500
     
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    The Dems need to show this to the public, they suck at messaging, they need to have all the surrogates on Sunday go on every show and show this to the American public
     
  7. NewRoxFan

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    Won't matter... the fox news crowd noise volume will drown facts out...
     
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    Do we not already take in enough revenue to service interest on the debt?
     
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    I absolutely agree the Democrats aren’t as good at messaging but part of the problem is that Republicans push simplistic messages to complicated problems and have no problem with contradicting themselves.

    Consider Trump’s own response in the Debt ceiling two days ago. As President he said no one should hold up the Debt Ceiling while at the Town hall he said that the GOP should just allow the country to default. When pressed on it he blatantly said it was becaue he wasn’t president now.

    Democrats aren’t paragons of truth and consistency but it’s unlikely that a Democratic politician would be openly hypocritical. Consider how much criticism that John Kerry got from other Democrats for saying he “voted against the Iraq authorization before he voted for it.”
     
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    Very true... they have no qualms at all to say things that are ridiculously untrue. Another example... trump saying he would get Mexico to pay for the wall, Or in the CNN campaign event... saying he would settle the war in Ukraine within 24 hours.
     
  11. Amiga

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    remember there is fact and alternate fact

    This is literally what Trump is and by extension the Republican Party as a whole. He has his alt fact and he will stick to it. I completed the border wall and Mexico paid for it. You can fact check him live and it doesn’t matter. A person without any shame in lying will stick to their alt facts. He and the Republican Party will do this as long as their supporters don’t care or refuses reality.
     
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    Another perfect example... there are no 87,000 IRS agents that were funded to be hired. republicans know this is an outright lie, yet they repeat it constantly.

     
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    Weak move by biden. His new chief of staff is awful.
     
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    He is a total Jack*ss and never needs to be president again.
     
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    Bottom line, Republicans cut taxes for the wealthy and now they don't want to pay for it.

    That is not acceptable.
     
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    When one party can pass a budget with zero votes in the house or the Senate from the opposition party, and then that opposition party takes control of one of the houses of Congress, this is their only opportunity to address it. The Democrats didn't want to let the Republicans play when they were accumulating the bills, so now is when they get to play.
    The 14th Amendment says that the validity of debts ... shall not be questioned. A refusal to borrow more money is not questioning the validity of debts. If you can't pay your credit card bill, you aren't calling into question the validity of the bill, you are just saying that you don't have the money to pay it. The point of that clause of the 14th Amendment was so the representatives of the returned Confederate states could not vote to refuse to pay the bills incurred by the Union in fighting the Civil War, but that Congress could vote not to recognize debts incurred by the Confederacy.

    What the Constitution does say, quite clearly, is that only Congress has the power to borrow money and only Congress has the power to coin money, so the solutions proposed to make a 2 trillion dollar coin (why stop at 2 trillion, why not a googleplex dollar coin?) or raise the debt ceiling by executive order are explicitly unconstitutional.
     
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    Ohhhhh you want to talk about reasons for Amendments not the text of rhe Amendment? Well let's go then. Let's start with the 2nd, Then we can move onto the 1st. OHHHHH Hell Yeah let's discuss them all. Trump added 8 Trillion to the Federal Debt. The GOP had no problem raising the debt ceiling every single time when Trump was President. The GOP can go **** themselves.
     
  20. Xopher

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    One Party huh?

    https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2022549
     

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