Chicago locals not happy about bussed immigrant housing plan

I enjoy your posts as well.

A couple of points, first, I live in Chicago - and Chicago is not going nuts over a few thousand immigrants. It has been on the news off and on since it happened, but the overwhelming majority of Chicago doesn't give it much thought. There are activists in Chicago, and people that live in the area where this is happening that are not happy about it - but even that has to be taken with a grain of salt because Chicago is possibly the most activist city in the country. Every weekend there are people blocking the expressway, there are marches, etc. The inside of Chicago is controlled by wards and alderman, and that results in a lot of grass roots activity.

As far as what Texas is doing. First, they have interviewed a lot of the people sent to Chicago, and they were told that Chicago would take care of them. They did not individually decide that they wanted to come to Chicago - and if you believe what the immigrants claim, they were deceived.

Why should Texas have 1,000,000 immigrants? Did they cross over into Texas? Does Texas also benefit from being on the border? Texas is a very powerful state politically, they can come to an agreement at the federal level, but the politicians in Texas do not want to do that. I don't expect Texas to be more welcoming of 1,000,000 people. What I do expect is elected officials in Texas to work on a solution at the federal level - and they really haven't done that.

As far my background, yes I have a legal background. I clerked, was a prosecutor and now I am in private practice. Texas can do anything they want that is legal within their state borders. However, if they keep busing people outside to other states (especially states that are blue), the people will start being bussed back to Texas.

There has already been some discussion in Springfield to start putting recently released convicts on busses and sending them to Florida and Texas. Some in the state have even discussed about financial incentives to do so.

The issue needs to be dealt with at the federal level. As for sending them to other states, the reality is that other states do not want them either - and it is very unlikely that Governor Abbot or DeSantis is going to send them to red states.

As far as Texas deciding to arrest and jail the homeless that would hypothetically come from California, whatever floats their boat - if the state of Texas wants to waste large amounts of money to do so, then so be it.

Right now people flood into California that homeless because of the resources present - but everything is cyclical, at some point Californians are going to have enough. I cannot speak for Californians - I can speak for where I live, and for as liberal as Chicago is - it is not above screwing over immigrants or poor people and sending them back to Texas. At the end of the day, Chicagoans are some of the most protective people when it comes to their safety and quality of life, they have ****** over black people for 70 years, and not batted an eye because crime outside the ghetto is close to zero - they will certainly do the same on issues like this.

 

It is a good book, a little dense at times but I really enjoyed it.

As far as Hitler - we see history through the lens of good and bad. Hitler is obviously "bad", but the reality is that at that period in time, the overwhelming majority of the Western world had a very negative opinion of Jews. There was a lot of discrimination, and a lot of governments that believed that Jews identified as Jews and not as Germans, Poles, English and etc. What is also lost to history is that there was a lot of terrorist activities carried out by Jews during this period. There was a lot of marginalized and radical Jews that were either Communists or wanted a separate Jewish state.

 

How about we send all the homeless drug addicts to Mexico?
It's not fair that the rich woke whiteys in hollywood have access to all that cocaine
it's much cheaper in mexico brehs


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Common drug mules? Probably just paid to carry stuff. They are certainly contributing to a major problem (which the government is contributing to much more by criminalizing drugs and creating a black market in the first place), which is gang violence over control of the drug trade.

Just being accurate.

 

Send them to Bernie sanders house
Make sure Bernie knows that they don’t pay taxes

 

I agree with most of this yes our immigration policies are convoluted but that is why they need to be simplified and expanded.

Immigration is being used by too many as a political issue and yes racism plays a role. Racism and ethnic bias have always played a role going back to the 1810’s when many were against allowing too many Germans to settle in the country.

 

Sure we could use more immigrants here. There’s a labor shortage in both the farm and non farm labor. If Abbott is willing to work with Walz and the mayors of Minneapolis and St Paul something. Could probably be figured out. As is I know several people who work in immigration law locally who are getting more immigrants here. Not just from Latin America but people working to get more Hmong who have been in refugee camps for 40’years here.

 

I have been to Northern Ireland and yes there are people who want to come but not nearly the amounts proportionally compared to other places. Ireland had a massive outline for a century but in the last few decades there’s been an influx back. A big factor was the growth of Irelands economy and the Good Friday Peace treaty. How things play out with Brexit isn’t clear but I don’t expect a massive outflux of people from either the Irish republic or Northern Ireland. Certainly nothing compared to the 19th century when the potato famine and repressive British policies reduced the population by a third.

 

This gets back to that we could reduce the drug trade and other crimes associated with immigration by bringing our policies in line with the reality. If there are more legal pathways to immigration it is less likely that so many will risk being drug mules or go to coyotes if they know they can legally get in. That will free up more of our enforcement resources on targeting drugs and those who do actually mean harm to us.

 

Before Hitler Eastern Europe and Russia was home to many pogroms that murdered thousands of Jewish people at a time. Tzarist Russia absolutely despised Jews

Jews have been the scapegoat of Western civilization especially when Napoleon took over Europe and dismantled all the monarchies. Jews were treated like **** under those monarchs and Napoleon decides not to treat Jews like **** because that's just more people on his side.

So you can imagine what happens when the most influential families in all of Europe with all the royal families seeing this and seeing Jews as their enemy because they sided with Napoleon. They have power and influence to spread anti-Semitic conspiracies because of their reach and influence.

 

Oh I agree, this isn't a situation like the Potato Famine, but there are still quite a few Europeans that would like to move to the USA if it wasn't so difficult. When we were living in Northern Ireland, I would say 25% of the people under 40 that we knew expressed interest in moving to the USA - but the issue was that it is difficult and expensive. Pre-911 it was very easy for the Irish to come to America. A lot of them got on a plane here with the intent to never come back, and because they are white, they almost never are given an issue. I know a number of Illegal Irish in Chicago.

Interestingly enough, most of the Northern Irish I know that want to leave are Catholic, and the GFPT is a big reason they want to leave. They believe that their concerns are no longer addressed at all.

No doubt people from other parts of the world are more driven to come to the USA, but getting Europeans to move here with more lax rules would not be an issue....... I am not sure we really need more Europeans but for some conservatives that is very important to them - which is silly. While the Irish have a very easy time blending into the USA, there are plenty of Europeans that do NOT.

 

This is just right wing media propaganda!!! There is no such thing as "crime" or "immigration".. Biden is tougher on crime than anyone, same goes for immigration. dur dur dur dur

 

Sure there are a bunch of Irish particular young they want to move to the US, they also want to move to Australia or Canada too. They’re a bunch of young people in the US that want to move also. I don’t see Northern Ireland or the Republic as being a major source of immigration or the desire to immigrate as Latin America. It’s one thing for a young Irish after Uni to overstay their visa and work at a restaurant illegally versus crossing thousands of miles in foot crossing jungles and deserts and dealing with gangs to get here.

Yes there are some Catholics who are unhappy with the Good Friday peace accords, one reason why the Real IRA still has support, there are also many Protestants who do too. Mostly though my impression was that a large majority liked the accord and that Belfast saw an economic boom rather as than boom from bombs was much appreciated.

I haven’t been there since Brexit but from what I’m hearing from news and people there is that it is a big concern. If the UK gives in to the DUP and puts in a hard border with the Republic and the economy takes a hit you will then see a larger desire to immigrate.

 

The US geography and resources give it huge advantages. I know there are a lot of concerns, but long-term, we are probably still the most likely to be at the very top. If I have to place a bet long-term (multiple generations of family), I would still pick the US. It's been said before, but it's true - only we can defeat ourselves.

 

My second house was in Ireland for over a decade. I am not saying any group in Europe is willing to go to the extremes that Venezuelans will to enter the USA. The reality is that the situation in Venezuela and some other Central and South American areas is worse than what we see in Europe.

I was simply saying that there are a lot of people in places like Northern Ireland that want to move to the USA and would do it, if it were easier but it isn't easy to do. Most of the people in Northern Ireland I am friends with or talked to wanted specifically to move to the USA (although there were some that said NZ).

It ultimately comes down to the philosophy and goal that the USA wants when it comes to immigration. Does the USA really want the "tired, poor, huddled masses" or the USA wants targeted immigration like most countries do.

History has shown that the USA has done well with the tired - poor and huddled masses of people coming over - but there seems to be a real push from one side of the political spectrum to get particular immigrants.

The only group that really haunts me is that we did not bring over more Iraqis and Afghans that helped us post 9-11 and now are quite possibly deal.... that was and is wrong.

 

Conservatives seem to prefer having the children of immigrants work in the fields, meatpacking plants, and other industrial operations than adult immigrants.....

Which is a choice. Clamping down on all immigration will cause a tightening in the labor market. Just anecdotally seems like there was a swath of folks that moved from lower income job to lower middle income jobs and we don't enough folks to replace all the lower income jobs that are happening in the background.

I prefer a balance of immigration and skills training/education.

 

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