Chicago locals not happy about bussed immigrant housing plan

@Commodore



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Hundreds of U.S. asylum officers were trained on how to enforce the restriction on Tuesday and the regulation is expected to be published on Wednesday, less than 48 hours before Title 42 is set to expire, according to people familiar with the effort who requested anonymity to discuss internal plans.

The regulation, which is expected to be challenged in federal court, will be a dramatic shift in asylum policy, disqualifying migrants from U.S. protection if they fail to request refugee status in another country, such as Mexico, on their journey to the southern border."
USA announced new restrictions today that will go into effect Thursday.

 

The ones with the meth, cocaine, fentanyl, and heroin are also criminals, they just didn't have a warrant in the United State (or an international warrant, presumably). They are probably gang members (or gang associates) as well, given that's who generally trafficks street drugs.

 

Actually it’s gotten a lot better in the last 10 years.

 

All of this talk of increasing enforcement and changing asylum continues to ignore how out of touch our immigration laws are with reality.

Our country can take in many more immigrants and there are employers looking for more labor. In every wave of immigrants there were people who said that we were being invaded and that our economy couldn’t handle so many immigrants. If those voices had been listened to then we wouldn’t have so many people descended from Irish immigrants who now say the same thing about Venezuelans.

 

True Latino's arent' a monolith and many Irish who came to this country also quickly said the samething about Italians and Polish.

The supply and demand curve is against our immigration laws. There are obviously many who want to come into this country but there are also many employers willing to hire them and in many spots of the country there is a shortage of labor. Like with most things when laws are out of touch with supply and demand a black market will proliferate to meet that. Much of our problems with immigration (coyotes, human smuggling and even drug smuggling) are because the black market proliferates. That is why many don't show up in court. This could be solved by bringing our immigration laws in line with the reality. Once most immigration is conducted through legal channels it will be easier to weed out those who want to do harm in this country from those who are willing to work and simply looking for a better life.

Also while I'm sure most would welcome more immigration from Western Europe there isn't as big a supply of Western Europeans wanting to come to this country. Also are Western Europeans more hardworking than people from Latin America? Are they inherently smarter? I've been to both South America and Western Europe and know a lot from both regions. If anything people from Latin America are more willing to work hard while Western Europeans are rioting over the possiblity of the retirement age being raised by a few years.

 

@rocketsjudoka
Minnesota
Send them there breh

 

Right, and how many of those are people smuggling drugs across the border and not seeking asylum?

The reality is that out of 27,000 people there was very little criminal activity - and as I said, those with drugs were likely not seeking asylum, they were runners........ so no, they were not likely gang members seeking asylum and most runners are not gang members, they are the typically very poor people that are doing it purely for money.

 

I agree, the midwest cannot fill all the positions they have, I wish the federal government would work with these big companies like JBS Swift and Tyson who cant get people in the processing plants. Quite a few plants work with immigration and sponsor quite a few 3rd world countries to come and work. Get these folks to places that they can work and start paying taxes and have these companies sponsor them

 

It is lost somewhat to history.......

But 200 years ago Americans were not happy with the Scots came in and moved into the South Eastern USA.

Then it was the Irish Catholics that flooded in - and THAT was a real problem, because the USA was a very Protestant country, and the divide between Catholics and Protestants persisted as a major problem from the 1860's through the 1960's.

Then it was the Italians that poured in....... and they were considered anarchists and uneducated and poor and worst of all - NOT WHITE........ and Catholics to boot!

Then sometime in the 1960's American white people decided that Italians were white and were not so bad.

Then we had Mexicans and Puerto Ricans moving in........

Then Cubans and Indians and South Americans and Vietnamese.

We would have more Chinese except white people couldn't have that, and made sure they didn't come in numbers after they built the railroad - so they ended up going to Canada.


I don't have a problem with the USA welcoming in new immigrants, in fact I think it keeps America sharp and competitive, and the cultural mix in the USA really is the best in the world.

I do think that the USA should have some say on how many people and to some degree who comes over - but the reality is that in the past the USA has abused the right to decide who moves into the USA.

I think back to the 1930's and Germany offered to send millions of Jews to the USA. They didn't always want to kill them - they just wanted them gone from Germany and Central Europe. The USA (in fairness the whole world) said no, and I wonder - how much stronger and better would the USA be if we had taken in all of the Jews and Catholics from Germany and Poland? How much stronger and better would the USA be had they not passed an act preventing Asians from becoming Americans.

 

I disagree with you concerning there not being a lot of Western Europeans that want to come to the USA. There are a lot of people in places like Ireland, Northern Ireland, Poland and Italy. Spend much time there and it gets brought up. They don't come because it is hard to come and sneak in post 911.

Also, there seems to be this belief by some conservatives/republicans that Europeans coming to America is a perfect fit, that there is no adjustment period and that they will fit their "ideal American". I can tell you, that is far from the case. There are a lot of first generation Polish people in Chicago, and they have a hard time just like any other immigration group and they have the same issues as non-Europeans.

 

Chicago and New York needs to either put the immigrants back on a bus and ship them back to Texas or they need to offer a free bus ticket to anyone in Chicago or New York that wants to move to Texas.

The decision by Texas and Florida to send them on a bus to other states isn't the proper decision - that isn't how this is supposed to work.

Let's see how much Texas would like if California started give every homeless person and drug addict a $100 bill and put them on a bus to Texas.

 

That's why I said, "or gang associates". They are running the drugs for the gang, even if they are themselves not gang members. Also, there was a 100% rate of criminal activity, because it is illegal to cross the border other than at a designated port of entry 8 US Code 1325(a).

 

So you admit that they are likely not gang members? They are associated with the gang to the extent someone offers them money and tells them to walk drugs across the border, but they are not drug addicts or gang members, and usually are not violent either. A lot of them are usually women.

As far as calling them criminals because they crossed the border at the wrong spot - good luck with that really sullying their reputations or having them being painted as dangerous criminals. The USA is filled with the children and grandchildren and great grandchildren of people that illegally entered or remained in the USA.