Chicago locals not happy about bussed immigrant housing plan

That's alright, I'll just identify as black.

You think it is trendy to support a 2/3 majority requirement for all legislation in both houses of Congress. I don't think I have ever actually seen that suggested before. If anything, getting rid of the filibuster is the trendy opinion.

 

This has been discussed before but the idea of the filibuster long predates the Constitution going back to the Roman Senate and the US senate that started the filibuster was in the lifetime of the Founders. In the Federalist Papers it is very clear that Hamilton and Madison were suspicious of fast government. The Constitution itself was a compromise between those who wanted even more checks and balances.

Leaving the history is that we are seeing wild swings already through the action of government in the amount of executive orders issued by incoming Presidential administrations. If we do away with the filibuster as you acknowledge we’ll get wild swings in legislation. Actually we do see that with the House and if not for split government and things like the filibuster many of those could become law. The problem with these swings is that it leads to uncertainty and confusion in government.

The hope that the voters will eventually even things out as we see with the swings in the House and Presidential elections where the filibuster doesn’t apply we see wild things. Also as we’ve frequently discussed there are many things such as gerrymandering, voter restrictions that make it harder for the voice of the voter.

I would focus more on those than getting rid of the filibuster as simply doing that without reform in other areas might lead to a result you don’t like in the near future.

 

@ROXRAN

 

First, some liberals see things in very simplistic terms. It is easy to say a particular policy isn't acceptable and then offer no alternative plan. Having said that, it is a lot more complicated than people in areas hit hard by immigration seem to think.

While it is true, that people in Chicago do not have an appreciation of what it is like to be in a state that borders Mexico and where so many Central and South American immigrants attempt to enter the USA, why would they? Second, I don't see anyone in Texas or border states really giving a damn about the fact that the absolute most dangerous handful of neighborhoods in the USA are in Chicago. All I ever hear from places like Texas is mocking or blaming Democrats in power. If Texas doesn't give a damn about the problems in Chicago, why should Chicago really care about the immigration problem in Texas?

If Texas and Florida wants to start sending immigrants into the heart of Chicago, maybe Chicago should start paying those that live in Garfield Park, Lawndale, Englewood or Washington Park to move to Texas or Florida.

I can tell you that the crime rate in Chicago would go down a lot in that trade......

The reality is that these are all issues that need to be addressed at the local AND national level, and there just isn't sufficient interest to do so at this point. The can is being kicked down the road on immigration reform, or poverty and racial issues - because most Americans are okay right now.

As far as moving immigrants around to areas that are short on labor, I can tell you that in the Midwest it would not be welcomed, and most of the areas that people would be bussed to, would not be a good outcome for anyone.

We need a social and political breakthrough that will tackle immigration in a constructive manner.

Sending immigrants on buses may play well in Texas, and Florida and a few other places, but in a lot of the moderate or purple part of the country it is viewed as a political sideshow.

 

I don't agree with Kim on immigration, but I don't think he is just a moderate in the USA. I have spent a lot of time outside and this is moderate or even liberal for the vast majority of the world. In Western and Eastern Europe, they are far nastier about it - same in Australia, New Zealand..... Japan, S. Korea...... basically everywhere.

The expectations in the USA should be higher, the USA is used to immigration more so than any other nation - but historically this attitude and worse has been the US response.

 

Good read. It's too bad that Governor Abbott has malicious intent behind his program, but I'm glad that non-profits have found a way to make a positive out of it and more importantly, have now been coordinating with other groups across the country to make this a lot more humane.

 

Exactly. Abbot, Trump and Desantis are PR whores.

Being humane and helping people is a different thing.

If you've got a few dollars to throw around, I would highly recommend a TxMonthly subscription, they do quality journalism.

 

It's a damn shame we can't pass a bill on immigration reform. It will never be perfect because it's a socially dynamic situation.

Economy great...more help needed, but blame the outsiders for the country's problems. Economy ****...more help needed but blame the outsiders for the country's problems.

Climate shifts around the world will likely trigger large migrations in affected regions. I wouldn't bet on a new law from either party handling that influx, but it's better than what we have now and would advance some sorely needed conversations

 

@Kim

https://immigrantjustice.org/staff/...ing-title-42-how-bidens-new-policies-threaten

You do know biden is extending title 42 to 6 other nations right? They're just opening the program under a new name....all these folks will be deported unless they apply in Mexico through the app..

Biden immigration policies are practically the same as trumps except the family detentions. I'm not sure why right wingers are so clueless

 

Many in the Midwest might resist having more immigrants coming but it’s been happening already. Places like Worthington, MN 20 years ago had almost no Hispanic population and now Spanish and Tejano music are heard frequently on Main Street. Many meat packing plant sun IA and the Dakota employ a lot of Hispanic and Somali labor. As noted during the oil boom in ND they couldn’t get enough labor whether it was Jake’s or Juans.

 

https://rollcall.com/2023/04/27/us-to-expand-migrant-processing-abroad-after-title-42-policy-ends/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-administration-plans-new-rules-to-deport-asylum-seekers-5155ae41

""The government will also increase use of expedited removal, a process that allows migrants who do not clear an initial asylum screening to be quickly deported without a full immigration court process."

This is another reminder don't listen to the right trolls on immigration. If you have not gotten clearance from state department before you apply for asylum you are getting deported in 95% of cases.

The border isn't open regardless of what right wing trolls claim

 

Yes the border certainly isn’t open for anyone to cross.

Personally I disagree with Biden on this. There is a big problem ont he southern border but this is not the way to deal with it. I think the politics of it though are driving a get tough approach.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/ameri...limit-asylum-access-mexico-border-2023-05-05/

Yeah they're going finalize a rule tomorrow stating if you don't apply for assylm in Mexico or colombia or other centers then you will be deported right away.

This is the only approach to take until you have enough money to hire judges

 

There is no real appetite from conservatives to do anything to alleviate the border leading up to Nov 2024.

 

Which is why biden has to push his tough policies. Being POTUS is tough but you can't allow a open border going into general election. I'm happy biden is being tough. The ideal situation is we have alot more judges so we can bring in more people but unfortunately congress is broken

 

It's never really been a problem in Texas or Cali or Chicago or NY or etc (literally, ever)...but the huge blowback against hispanic immigration is very much in the "heartland", where there were never "mexicans" before.

 

There was huge pushback against immigration in California. In 1994 Prop 187 passed forbidding illegal immigrants access to public services. The courts blocked it, the state took forever to appeal the ruling (because the state didn't want to enforce it to begin with) and then eventually dropped the appeal in 1999 (when we had a Democrat as governor again).