That's where I thought you were going with the idea ..... I can't get behind it. The idea in giving up those assets would be to get exponentially better, to be an immediate contender and I just don't see that with this type of deal. Brooklyn giving us 3/5ths of a starting lineup that went 12-15 after Durant was shipped to PHX .... for cap space, draft picks and players you could flip for additional assets?? Dinwiddie / Tyty / Nix Green / Christopher Bridges / Tari Jabari / Garuba / KMJ / Simmons Sengun / Claxton That might not be a .500 team much less one that's a contender. Just not enough improvement for the amount of assets.
Hmm. I think our young guys are likely to be good enough to at least make that a playoff team, given natural improvement year-over-year, a commitment to winning, and a real coach. I agree it's probably not a championship contender though, except maybe if we land Wemby (even then probably not during his rookie season, but maybe after that). Or maybe if somebody we already have, likely Green or Sengun, has a HUGE breakout season. Anyway, I'm not necessarily advocating for that kind of trade. Just brainstorming scenarios, really. One thing worth mentioning though: Simmons' contract would expire right around the time when our championship window should, if everything goes according to the plan, begin. Dinwiddie would also be off the books. It would just be Bridges and Claxton at that point.
That would be a terrible trade We aint giving up Porter for a 30year old Dinwiddie with Tyty as the backup and Simmons eating our cap space Y’all have lost y’all’s damn minds. That’s a ugly ass roster
Spencer Dinwiddie basically already is what KPJ stans only wish their boy could be, though. A solid defender who knows how to play off the ball but can also run an offense decently well. KPJ probably has close to zero trade value, and there's a good reason for that.
I think a Brooklyn-Houston trade makes a lot of sense without Simmons if Brooklyn decides to rebuild and Rockets get a Top 2 pick. Bridges, and a sign and trade for Cam Johnson are the two I would most want. Rockets would be able to acquire at least one after using a max contract slot and the other with matching salary. Rockets would still have the room exception for someone like Tre Jones to be the backup PG.
So who’s going to be our point guard in a year when spencer is too old or doesn’t want to be on a rookie team. Back to square one but without a talented guard like KPJ
Dinwiddie is three years younger than Harden, dude. Talking like he's on death's door Anyway, I'm not in love with the idea of making a trade like that, but I think you're undervaluing BK's players a bit. Dinwiddie and Bridges would've been the best players on our team this past season and Claxton is right around as good as our best guys.
But is Dewiddie Harden If you ain’t a superstar and 30+ you’re dead to me unless you coming off the bench I’m not underestimating them. We have their picks. I would only give up KMJ, Tate, Tyty. They can sit in mediocre purgatory or they can give us the trade we want and control their own future with their own picks
I have Dimwiddle as being about as good as Claxton. I don't see him as much help as he's already costly.
Porter and Green could still be highly successful as a starting back court, but we need a small forward that can help with the play, making duties and especially lock up the bigger wings.
Yep but if you choose Miller and Smith then you have to replace Green or Porter with a better distributor.
On the surface, a deal with Brooklyn appears a natural one .... they aren't good and can't afford to be bad to get better because we control their draft & getting control of their draft could be mutually beneficial. My issue with the trade proposal above is the price you seem to be willing to pay for those pieces - essentially paying for a supercar and getting a VW minus the engine - expecting Green, Sengun or Wemby to be the catalyst for real improvement. I can't see giving their draft picks back along with cap relief and players unless doing so makes us an immediate contender. Nothing they can send us makes us what we want to be, so I'm only willing to give them one of the above, not all of the above assets. Breaking down the deal into smaller parts - Bridges and Claxton for your picks back, Sure why not. Dinwiddie for KPJ & Tate - I really think I can get better value. Taking back Simmons for what exactly? What am I getting for my $40m in cap space? The timeline of Simmons contract is terrible as it comes off the books at the same time you'd have the cap holds for Green & Sengun hit - Ideally, you've already spent your cap space while they were on their rookie deals and you exceed the cap to retain your own FA's. Unable to take advantage of that with Simmons on your books because of the nature of cap holds. Cap holds for First round pick coming off rookie contract are 300% of the player’s previous salary if prior salary was below league average and 250% of previous salary if prior salary was at or above league average. Sengun's cap hold will be $7,621,639 and Green's $16,290,378 at the same time you are shedding Simmons $40,338,144. I'd be agreeable to Bridges & Claxton for their picks back but you gotta keep your albatross Simmons and I'll find a point guard elsewhere, Dinwiddie on an expiring isn't intriguing.
I think giving their picks back is probably the price they ask for just Bridges, honestly. His stock is high right now with some believing he's a star going forward (I'm not quite there myself, but he's definitely a very good player). Adding in Claxton makes it an overpay for them. But you may be right that taking on the Simmons albatross is too much to even the scales, and tips it into being an overpay for the Rockets. I think Dinwiddie has real value to a contender. Maybe he doesn't make the most sense for us in our situation given his contract and age. But it depends on our other options for acquiring a point guard to replace KPJ. The front office seems determined to get better, and that's going to be tough with KPJ at the 1.
Would bridges accept a bench roll if we sign Harden and draft Miller or Wemby or would we force our top 3 pick to come off the bench? I think we could get Cam to agree on a bench roll if we paying him good money You call the Nets and Tell them you can have KMJ, Tate, and any two of your picks for Cam, Claxton, maybe Dewiddie or go take a hike cause we have 60mil and don’t need you. They will probably need Bridges to package with Simmons to like Detroit or the Magic We don’t need their mid teen picks because we won’t have any roster spots when we dish out 60mil on vets
