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Chicago locals not happy about bussed immigrant housing plan

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Kim, May 7, 2023.

  1. Kim

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    1) Congress has never appropriated enough money to detain the "shall detain" immigration law requirements, so the executive branch just releases.

    2) I don't know what the better solution is, so the better worded phrase would be, "I don't see how bussing is more dehumanizing than the current process which has been going on forever: Feds just dump migrants at the doorsteps of overcrowded understaffed aid organizations along the border." There is no soup-to-nuts process that is integrating or helping illegal immigrants that they all have access to.
     
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    The intent and motive is what makes it dehumanizing. When people like Abbot do it they are doing it with the same motive people have for hunting deer because of over breeding and population control.
     
  3. Kim

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    I agree with the sentiment that Republicans don't want to fix the border and they don't want to fix crime. I remember when Obama was deporter-in-chief and immigrants and his own party criticized him (and so did republicans). The fact is, no Congress, even when Dems had a supermajority, ever funded current immigration policy enough to exercise it (last changed in the 1990's, I think), let alone do comprehensive reform. I'm not even talking about reform - I'm just talking about funding what has already passed.
     
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    TX and FL have no interest in solving the problem; they just want to play politics.

    A federally assisted work program for asylum seekers could be effective, but it is likely to become a political issue because Republicans in Congress may (actually will) argue that it takes jobs away from Americans. As a result, the federal government, under any administration, may be too afraid to act due to this Catch-22 to hell situation.

    Worth a try IMO.
     
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  5. Kim

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    Oh, I totally agree that the intent is to score points. The bussing program itself is no worse than the alternative current solution of just dumping migrants at non-profits that don't have enough resources.
     
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    You're close to getting there but not quite. The *REASON* why it hasn't it because appropriations are subjected to the filibuster which means you need 10 republican votes. This goes back to the core issue is republican don't wsnt to allocate money to fix the issue when they can score political points.

    The root issue here is congress and the filibuster. The filibuster is why we have gun violence every day and why we have a broken immigration system. It doesn't allow either party to govern sufficiently and pass laws that are needed.

    Republicans WANT gun violence and a broken border because normie voters will always claim republican are good at crime and safety. It plays into their hand and its why Republicans don't wanna fix the issue in congress.

    Nix the filibuster and let the party govern
     
  7. Kim

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    The thing is, many interior republican states want more immigration. There are some that even quietly approve of Biden's latest executive action to increase immigration pathways after Title 42 ends. The red states won't admit it in public though, even the ones that want it.
     
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    There wasn't enough funding even when Dems had a filibuster proof supermajority. Neither party proposes enough money to house certain classes of illegal immigrants until their court dates. It's considered a low priority. It may be forced upon them though, if SCOTUS rules that way this summer. I think you're arguing about immigration policy in totality, vs the section that says certain classes must be detained until their court hearings.
     
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    They had a supermajorify for less than 6 months. The "60th" vote was a pro life pro neocon democrat. To claim dems ever had a working super majority is very disingenuous from you.

    If we hadn't had the filibuster we would've banned assault riffles by now and we would've had immigration reform. It's a fact
     
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    Child labors law being relaxed is a desperation move for more labors. Immigration is the highly available natural human resources for a plus/plus if not for the damn politics.
     
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    Several posters have already stated my view. To put it in my own words. Yes I agree there is a strain on resources at the border moving migrants away from the border and spreading out the burden is what should be done. Doing it though without even consulting the states you're sending the migrants too is a political stunt. Flying migrants on a private plane from one state to the other at 10 times the cost to a state that wasn't even the from or to state is a political stunt and wast of money.

    If Abbott, DeSantis et all were serious about solving the problem. They should be meeting with the other states to discuss ways of moving migrants to other states. If space was the concern there is a lot of room in states like North Dakota. IN fact North Dakota is suffering from a glut of housing because they built tons of housing in Williston area during the oil boom there that emptied out when it became too expensive to get ND oil.
    Now that I think about maybe MN Gov. Tim Walz should bus our homeless to ND. ;)

    Like many things the Southern Border and immigration across it is a real problem. Just moving migrants from their to Blue states without any attempt to cooperate with those states and the Federal government isn't solving the problem. It's just political gamesmanship.
     
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    North Dakota is looking for Jakes to fill those homes, not Juans
     
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    There were actually a lot of Juans that were working the oil fields of ND.
     
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    How many Jesuses?
     
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    No party is filibustering immigration detention center funding. I do agree with you that Republicans love to filibuster everything and love disfuctional government, but when it comes to detention center funding, neither party is even bringing it up. The status quo since the 90's (I think the original bill had bipartisan support) is fund some of it, but any more would be a waste of money. And when some money isn't enough money, then the feds just release into the public since there's not enough resources. It's actually republican states that are the plaintiffs suing the federal government to force more funding for detention facilities.

    Again, I agree that generally, Republicans don't like to govern, but that isn't the issue here. The issue is that spending money on immigration is simply not popular. Helping illegal immigrants is popular only when it's not in your own community or if the problem is small. The numbers aren't small, which is why border communities are in dire straits and is also why Chicago residents are pissed. Chicagoans don't want the migrants there even though the current mayor (spelling edit) and admin has a plan to help them there. This should be a nationwide effort coordinated by the federal government.
     
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    Wouldn't funding for migrant detention centers qualify to be done through reconcilliation, as it is clearly a revenue and spending issue?
     
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    No. This is why trump didn't pass his border wall funding in the tax cut scam. It didn't fit into the reconciliation rules.

    The filibuster is literally destroying this country and preventing any sort of governoring. You should be able to pass what you want and voters should be able to judge you 2 years later. It's destroying this country.

    @Kim the new biden rules have expanded title 42 to all of Latin America now. These migrants that are coming will be deported right away. The issue as you said some of them have a legal right to file for asylum and dealing with them is tricky.

    Biden has to push for remain in Mexico
     
  19. tinman

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    Send them to Oregon breh
    Problem solved
     
  20. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    I don't know that building a border wall and funding something that is already mandated are the same thing, but I will take your word for it since I can't find anything specific on it.
    I absolutely disagree. In fact, I would prefer that both houses adopt a 2/3 majority rule to advance legislation. Go gridlock.
     
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