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Scoot Henderson Tank Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rockets34Legend, Nov 12, 2022.

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I like Wemby, but we need a PG.

Poll closed Jun 22, 2023.
  1. Yes

    65 vote(s)
    23.6%
  2. Nah, we need Wemby.

    131 vote(s)
    47.5%
  3. Nah, draft Wemby & get a PG with Bucks pick.

    46 vote(s)
    16.7%
  4. Nah, we can find a PG in free agency.

    34 vote(s)
    12.3%
  1. RC Cola

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    IIRC his shooting numbers improved quite a bit in year 2. His mid range seems pretty solid, though think he settles for it too much. I believe his 3pt numbers already are kinda okish, not terrible that people think (maybe getting mixed up with Amen). It needs to get better, but it's not like he's shooting 22%. The improvement needed seems pretty reasonable IMO (3-5 percent would be pretty significant imo).
     
  2. Bobbythegreat

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    In a 19 game sample, that was his G league career, he shot 27.5% from 3 and a 53.7% TS% in a league with no talent that plays no defense. A league that Isiah Hartenstein dominated. A league that Terrence Jones looked like a real basketball player.

    In short, he put up Daishen Nix numbers against the same competition.
     
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  3. RC Cola

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    I think you're pulling numbers only from his 2nd season's regular games. He had another 6 games ("Showcase Cup") where he shot 47% from 3 (on 2.8 3PA per game). I've seen various numbers for some reason, but on the whole, I think he was closer to 33% on 3s for the year. Not super great either (though sorta close to league average), but that was something like a ~12% improvement over the previous year. I think he'll struggle in the NBA with this shot, especially initially, but it looks to me like he can put some work into this kind of stuff (also did something similar with his floater numbers IIRC), so I'm fairly optimistic he'll get to around league average at least. Perhaps better. Random stat, but CP3 shot like 28% from 3 in the NBA his first year (and guys like Ja still struggle with the 3 IMO).

    As for his overall TS% and why he didn't dominate the G League, I think those are more legit criticisms. As noted previously, I think he settles for the mid range shot way too much. Even if he's decent at it, that's not an overall efficient shot, especially since I believe he's pretty decent at the rim (~60% is what I saw), should generate a lot of FTs (another small area of concern I have), and I'm assuming he'll get to league average on 3s. If he continues to settle for these shots, that is a greater concern to me than some of these other things (size, 3pt %, etc.).

    I have no idea how to evaluate the G League Ignite for player development, but given what guys like Vecenie have said, I'm just going to assume it isn't really that big of a concern that these guys aren't putting up better numbers than Nix.

    I should also point out that I'm much more excited about his playmaking than his scoring, which I think could be more relevant for the Rockets (though I think he could be elite at both).
     
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    Scoot Henderson G-League Stats | Basketball-Reference.com
     
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  5. RC Cola

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    Yeah, that's actually where I pulled some of the numbers in my post, and where I assumed the 19 game figure came from. See the multiple tabs for some of the metrics. :)

    The G League schedule is apparently pretty weird, so I sometimes like to just use what guys like Spinella, Hoop Intellect, Tankathon, etc., provide since they usually have done the work already to put the numbers into proper context (plus they can give more advanced numbers).
     
  6. OremLK

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    Those numbers don't include the exhibition games where Scoot played a lot better. If you include all this season's games he shot like 34% from three.

    He's the kind of guy who plays up to the competition--he really turned it on in those games. Especially the one against Wemby. Loves the big stage
     
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    Linebacker Henderson


     
  8. DatRocketFan

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    If we get the 2nd draft pick, draft him.

    If folks don't want harden, at least find someone that can play pg and fit our timeline.

    Typical the kpj stans are resistant against this idea.
     
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  10. Nook

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    The issue with Ben Simmons is between his ears - Simmons is more gifted than Amen Thompson, and 99% of NBA players.

    Simmons did not work hard before coming state side. He was so out of shape as a freshman at LSU that he asked out of games and skipped their practices.

    The only real similarity between Simmons and Amen is that they both struggle to shoot from the perimeter and they both are very good natural passers.

    Thompson has more athletic ability than anyone in the NBA outside of 4-5 players.

    He is possibly the quickest player in the league in transition and the quickest I have seen since John Wall was 17 years old. The only other one in that class was a teenage Westbrook. Thompson gets around players in the lane better than everyone other than Morant and SAG.

    Thompson has very good size and strength for being a point guard.

    The only real weaknesses he has are his perimeter shoot and sometimes his dribble is flat.

    He is basically Rod Strickland if he never learns to shoot....... his worse outcome is Brandon Jennings, who had serious off the court issues. Amen is known as a very hard worker and smart.

    He has the highest upside in this draft physically, outside of Wemby.

    If Thompson learns to shoot and stays healthy, he will be an All NBA type player.
     
  11. Nook

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    If the Rockets get Wemby at #1, I would be willing to move Jabari and a future #1 or Jalen Green and a future #1 for Scoot Henderson.

    If by some miracle, the team picking #2 wanted future Nets and Rockets picks for Scoot, yes I would do it.

    It is hard giving up future picks - but getting Henderson to be the leader and point guard, in addition to Victor Wemby would be a franchise altering situation. Being able to keep Jabari and Green and Sengun on top of that? The Rockets would be like the Thunder with WB, KD and JH and the Magic 25 years ago with Shaq, Hardaway and Scott.
     
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    Interesting potential scenario...Do you think the org would do it, if such scenario materialised?
     
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  13. AroundTheWorld

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    If what he has posted before is correct, he is 85...
     
  14. larsv8

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    Sengun for Amen could make alot of sense if Det, Cha, Ind, or Port end up at 4,

    Harden / Amen (off the bench while he develops)
    Green
    Eason
    Jabari
    Wemby
     
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    Whatever else comes after that - it makes zero sense.
     
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  16. Nook

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    I don't know - but I wouldn't rule it out.
     
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    We get it dude.
     
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  18. peleincubus

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    those 6 players are nasty. Amen getting to learn off the bench with harden passing to Victor/Green/Jabari. Eason doing the dirty work. With Amen eventually starting to make the most athletic backcourt probably ever. I dunno man you think Sengun is worth giving that up??
     
  19. OremLK

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    Sengun for Amen would be a really tough one for me. I do think Sengun has a lower ceiling, but he's already almost there. Amen has MVP type upside but is not likely to get there. It's very close.

    Sengun for Scoot is something I would do though.
     
  20. cheke64

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    Bro looks majestic. Looks like a tekken fighter
     
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