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Man Dies After Chokehold in Subway in NYC

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  1. Amiga

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    15 min in a chokehold with three men holding him down seems excessive. The medical examiner ruled the death as a homicide. It's up to the court now.

    According to his father, this sounds like another case of mental illness falling through the gaping hole (not just a crack) in the US healthcare system's huge lack of access to deal with mental illness.


    Neely's father told the New York Daily News in an interview that his son became a 'complete mess' after his mother was strangled to death by his stepfather in 2007.

    Earlier, Adams said that Neely's death was 'tragic' adding 'there’s a lot we don’t know about what happened here.'

    'However, we do know that there were serious mental health issues in play here, which is why our administration has made record investments in providing care to those who need it and getting people off the streets and the subways, and out of dangerous situations,' the mayor went on.

    The homeless man's father Andre Zachery' said in a tribute today: 'Jordan was a good man.

    'He was a good person. He grew up good. He always had a (temper), but he never used to hurt anyone... He wasn’t bad. He was beautiful.'

    Zachery said that his son began mimicking Michael Jackson at the age of four or five. 'He looked just like him. He used to perform on the block. One day, people were loving him. Michael!,' the grieving father said.

    Zachery went on to say that he had not seen his son for four years, adding that his son was autistic, rarely taking his medication, making it difficult for him to find work and was a high school drop out.
     
  2. fchowd0311

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    The odds that Marine is just as dangerous to his immediate relationships like domestic partner as this homeless man was is quite high.

    Unfortunately suburban domestic violence by white men is caught far less than homeless poor people being annoying or threatening.
     
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    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/04/health/chokeholds-deaths-jordan-neely.html

    Dr. Altaf Saadi, a neurologist at Massachusetts General Hospital, explained that chokeholds and strangleholds could kill or cause brain injuries in two ways. They can compress the trachea, preventing the person from getting air into the lungs. And they can compress the carotid arteries, which are on either side of the neck, adjacent to the trachea. Seventy percent of the blood going to the brain passes through the carotids, Dr. Saadi said. If that blood flow is cut off in a chokehold or a stranglehold, some people can become unconscious in three to four seconds. If the flow continues to be restricted, a person can die within three to four minutes.

    If a person loses consciousness, that is an indication of possible injury to the brain, Dr. Saadi said.

    Even if the person does not lose consciousness, strokes and permanent brain damage, including cognitive impairment, can result from a chokehold.

    In a paper published in 2020 in JAMA Neurology, Dr. Saadi and colleagues wrote, “The possibility of devastating repercussions is too high to merit the use of neck restraints in any circumstance.”

    The American Academy of Neurology came out firmly against neck compression. In a position paper, the organization wrote that a mantra in its field is “time is brain,” meaning that brain tissue dies quickly when blood flow is stopped. The group notes that in strokes, when an area of the brain is deprived of blood, 1.9 million neurons die each minute before blood flow is restored.

    In a position statement, the group wrote that such techniques are “inherently dangerous in nature” and strongly encouraged all law enforcement personnel and policymakers “to classify neck restraints, at a minimum, as a form of deadly force.”

    The group added a recommended prohibition of the technique “because there is no amount of training or method of application of neck restraints that can mitigate the risk of death or permanent profound neurologic damage with this maneuver.”
     
  4. Nook

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    You are safe in Queens.
     
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  5. Nook

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    90-95% of Chicago is as safe as anywhere in the world.. there have been 3 murders outside of the handful of gang neighborhoods this year in Chicago… the segregated nature of Chicago is another issue
     
  6. Os Trigonum

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    any chance YOU are this marine? just curious :cool:
     
  7. fchowd0311

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    No. But there was like a 50% hit rate of dudes in my unit who got married right after enlistment having NJPs for domestic incidents. That's 50% of just dudes who got caught ****ing up their wives.

    Domestic abuse is rampant in Marine infantry.
     
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    Akeem cleaned that burough up.

     
  9. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Why would a stat on interracial violent crime incidents include lawful arrests?
    It would depend on the threat. If you said, "I have a gun and I am going to shoot you." and the person you said it to believed you, they would be justified in responding with deadly force.
     
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  10. fchowd0311

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    I sincerely believe you won't understand the relevance because you don't have the empathy tools to understand why I brought that up.

    Well maybe you are sociopathic and can regurgitate the argument but it simply can't register in your brain why the argument is valid because of that lack of empathy.

    Or maybe you don't want the discussion to go down this path because you fear it might reveal the deep rooted racism in American libertarian ideas and rhetoric.
     
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...oll-22-percent-of-americans-lean-libertarian/



    There is a reason why 94% of self identified libertarians in America are white. Stupid moniker shows the reasons why with every further post he types.

    Every person I personally know who b****es about soft leftist DAs letting crime happen label themselves as libertarian. Overpolicing poor non white people is totally within the American Libertarian ideological seal of approval
     
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    No, I simply understand that lawful arrests would not be included in stats on interracial violent crime because a) they are not crime, by definition, b) the may or may not be violent, and more often would not be, and c) may or may not be interracial. Including them in stats on lawful arrests would make no sense. It also is a sad and gross deflection. Should black criminals targeting white people be excused because more black schoolchildren are arrested?

    It seems as though the only connection between the two is you don't like the fact posted, so you wanted to deflect to an unrelated point that doesn't make the same group look bad.
    For most crimes (certainly crimes against the person), I have no problem with 100% of the people who commit those crimes being arrested, convicted, and sentenced according to the duly passed laws governing that behavior. There are bad laws, which I would like to see overturned, but outside of true injustice, I don't have much of an issue with even laws I disagree with being enforced if they are on the books, such is the cost of living in a democratic society (the majority may pass laws you don't like). I think some laws are unconstitutional and should be challenged whenever an arrest is made (like the Controlled Substances Act or the National Firearms Act), but those are not big drivers of what you would call overpolicing (almost all criminal law is state, not federal - there are more prisoners in Texas alone than all federal prisons put together). I don't know why you would support not enforcing laws against theft, robbery, rape, murder, assault, etc.
     
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    This story wouldn’t make national news if the marine was Black
    Here comes Al Sharpton
    @ROXRAN

     
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    you’re an idiot
     
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    lol, she's arguing that blacks commit more violence against whites because they commit more violence overall

    "they aren't more racist, they're just more violent!"
     
  18. fchowd0311

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    Lol you are a racist.

    Anyways you probably will just complain about the crime rate while ignoring things like this:
    https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/fiscal-fact/median-value-wealth-race-ff03112019


    Do you know why?
    It's because you are a racist.
     
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    Name all the people I've called racist here. You'll notice a pattern.
     

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