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Man Dies After Chokehold in Subway in NYC

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, May 4, 2023.

  1. fchowd0311

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    I had the same feeling walking around Queens. So many people walking around in public. You never feel alone and always feel safe.
     
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    Except that it is not 15 minutes according to mayor Adams. He said the police arrived there after the 911 call in about 7-8 minutes. That’s the reason I never trust the BS news when they’re trying to form a narrative. Let the grand jury finish with the investigation and then we can all give our 2 cent on that.
     
  3. fchowd0311

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    The narrative the news wants is that the streets are dangerous. That is what generates clicks. It's what created a society that has 4% of the world's population and 24% of the world's prison population.

    If you think a media narratives is trying to push through that involves trying to make poor homeless people into victims then you are severely brainwashed.
     
  4. fchowd0311

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    The average American believes that Chicago is more dangerous than your average rural town. Even though this is completely false when looking at data, why do you think this is a common sentiment? Media narrative? Yup. But you think the narrative is opposite? That shows a extreme level of brainwashing.
     
  5. Bandwagoner

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    if the streets aren't dangerous and everything is fine why are you always pushing gun control. The fear narrative you are talking about is the main driver behind that campaign.
     
  6. fchowd0311

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    Why am I pushing gun control?

    I don't know because I don't.

    And I hate how Democrat polticians resort to gun politics to deflect from class divides that result in crime. Those type of democrat polticians also feed into the "tough on crime" shtick.
     
  7. rocketsjudoka

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    Self defense laws are based on proportional response. You can feel threatened by some yelling but that doesn’t mean you can then punch them.
     
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  8. rocketsjudoka

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    When I was in New Zealand I felt much safer than the US. I’m not surprised that NZ saw a spike in crimes but that is likely from a very low base compared to the US.

    Just to note while I was there was one shooting in Wellington and it made national news there.
     
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  9. rocketsjudoka

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    I would have to check. I am think making a threat with a racial or other hate category might. That said I doubt CA laws would consider yelling a threat as justification for lethal or even injurious force.
     
  10. Bandwagoner

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    I mean years of posts from you telling me a 223 will explode a human at 500 yards and you know because you shot 5.56 in the marines. I hit a pig with one at 100 yards and can't even see a visible wound but I've heard that crap from you for tons of posts here.
     
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    in New York verbal assault is assault, a crime. Physically hitting (or whatever) someone after verbally assaulting them turns the crime into assault and battery, except in NY where there is no crime of "battery"--only degrees of assault

    on edit: from what I can tell verbal assault in NY is "menacing," a crime; and "assault" is the physical act of harming someone

    https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/120.15
     
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  12. rocketsjudoka

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    I’ve yet to see accounts saying he was getting physically violent with any of the passengers just that he was yelling and acting erratically.

    I don’t have a definitive opinion in this but to me this is looking more like it was unjustified.
     
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    That sounds like it’s an aggravating circumstance to physical assault rather than a crime unto it self.

    The key question to me though is still whether Neely did physically assault any of the passengers.

    To note a chokehold isn’t automatically a lethal technique but as this situation and many others show has the potential to be especially if put in by someone with no experience.
     
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    I was just replying to your comment of the homeless gentlemen not committing a crime because he didn't have a weapon. He potentially could have. I don't have an opinion on the response of the marine at this point.
     
  16. rocketsjudoka

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    Yes I can agree that the homeless person was committing a crime. Perhaps disturbing the peace. That alone doesn’t rise to the level of taking him down and putting in a chokehold.
     
  17. rocketsjudoka

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    Yes grabbing a woman by the hair would be physical assault and physical intervention would be called for. Do you or Charlie Kirk have evidence that actually happened here?
     
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    Im going to say something that I’ve said a lot of times. Not Intervention like this isn’t just about tolerating crime but about danger to yourself and to others. As we’ve seen recently with cases where people thought they were stopping a threat shot a boy who happened to go to the wrong address, a young woman who happened to get in the wrong car and another young woman who made a turn in a driveway.

    As someone who during a period my cities one Law enforcement said they couldn’t protect people I did go out and protect my neighborhood including confronting looters. One of the biggest concerns was that those who were trying to protect the neighborhood might get mistaken for those doing harm.
     
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    42 arrests in 10 years is only 1 every 3 months. Now if there were times that he wasn't getting arrested (very likely), then this guy might be a career criminal and should have been off the streets.
     
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    Well, thanks to the marine choking him to death on the subway, he is off the streets...
     

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