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Giannis signs max extension

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by ThatBoyNick, Dec 15, 2020.

  1. STR8Thugg

    STR8Thugg STR8Thugg Member

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    @what?

    How have they been "horribly run?" They have developed players like Khris Middleton and they have a solid roster outside of him. They added Holiday this offseason... I admit they paid a lot to get him, but if that helped in convincing him to stay then it was well worth the gamble. Not to mention that's just the cost of trying to compete for a championship - you go all in.

    Coaching? Sure Kidd and Larry Drew weren't great (Drew was only there Giannis' rookie year), but if you think Budenholzen is a bad coach then you are smoking some rough crack. He took a mediocre Atlanta team to 60 wins in 2014, and they had the best record in the league the last 2 years in Milwaukee.
     
  2. BigDog63

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    Takes a lot of courage to sign the largest contract in NBA history....
     
  3. Rudyc281

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    With the Milwaukee bucks yeah
     
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    It aint a big deal to sign your first super max extension. Melo even asked for a trade from NYC when he could have signed as a FA just so he could get the most money he is able to. Harden signed his first deal no problemo.

    The 2nd one is the more important one cuz thats the time the player turns 30 and when they decide if they want $$$ or winning.
     
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    of course they have been horriby run at every level of the organisation except from medical staff.

    I mean do you want a list of all the malpractices that have happened since 2013?

    Of all the horrible trades that have wasted and threw picks into the wind?
    The Knight trade, the MCW trade, the Greivis Vasquez trade the Brogdon S+T etc

    Of all the bad contracts like the Plumplee,the Larry Sanders joke?

    Of all the instances they have mishandled situations creating PR disasters? The Drew firing, the Kidd firing?

    That the owner's child was put as PR head and leaked a photo of the draft board on twitter on draft night which effectively put an end of the ongoing draft pick trade? What a huge joke!

    When the owners disagreed with each other and fired/ dismissed every single GM candidate interviewing for the job and they were left with a 30 smth Horst that noone had heard of and with pitiful experience as a compromise?

    That the new GM doesn't know to manipulate the cap rules and the team for no reason had to face luxury tax instead of better negotiating the Ilyasova and Hill contracts?

    Or that the owners don't want to pay the luxury tax and had to get rid of Brogdon?

    The development of Middleton has 100% to do with Khris Middleton and little to do with the Bucks organisation that have been a joke coaching wise, managment wise and ownership wise for most of his time here.

    The Bucks don't deserve Giannis and they don't even deserve Middleton because they have been horribly run.
    It's their luck and blessing that in spite of everything they have done to sabotage themselves they are where they are today.

    So if any of them decides to leave and ask for a trade noone should say anything.
     
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    I admittedly didn't know some of the background organizational wise that you spelled out, but again, if you think Budenholzer is a bad coach, I don't know what to tell you.
     
  7. daywalker02

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    At one point had Oscar Robertson and Kareem.
     
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    Both Budenholzer as the head coach and Giannis have never sniffed at the Finals.

    They have been great in the regular season no doubt.

    Malakas meant they have to be playoff tested and become great in the postseason.
     
  9. STR8Thugg

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    Don't put words in his mouth. He said the coaching staff is a joke.....His words.

    Budenholzer has been there 2 years. In the first year there, they won 60 games and had a 2-0 lead in the ECF. They lost the next 4 (3 of them close games - 1 went to OT). Last year they were by far the best regular season team. Then COVID shut everything down. They collapsed in that weird bubble environment.

    They haven't gotten it done. Sure, that is the bottom line.

    Is Dantoni a joke of a coach bc we lost in 6 to the Warriors with Durant hurt? Was that not inexcusable?

    The answer is no, he isn't a joke of a coach, and yes, it was inexcusable. 1 team wins a title every year, and they haven't gotten it done so far in one normal season where they came pretty close, and one bizarro-world season. That doesn't mean their coaching staff, or Budenholzer himself, is a laughing stock.

    That's just ridiculous.
     
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  11. BigDog63

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    Really? You would find it a difficult decision if someone paid you $228 Million to stay in Milwaukee???

    Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate seeing someone not take the superteam route, and stay in a mid market location, but this is hardly a massive hardship he decided to undertake. Now, if he decided to stay there, for a massively reduced salary, so the team could build around him? Ok. But all he did was decide to sign the largest contract in NBA history.

    FWIW, before you say 'well, nobody would do that!'...Dirk did.
     
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    any player? i'm guessing that would mess up a lot of things. also, it would probably have the unintended consequence of making superstars sign no more than 2 year contracts. now your stars would pretty much always be on the verge of leaving. teams like having a guy locked in for a long time. plus very few players have asked for a trade with more than 2 years. harden only technically has more because of a player option but he will probably opt out.

    would that really change this situation, though? the rockets only option would be to cut harden at the beginning of the offseason, which would basically give him what he wants. i don't know exactly how the nfl works, but i assume you couldn't keep a guy until the season starts and then cut them when no one has any money to sign them. so we'd still have harden under contract right now.
     
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    I know it's not gonna be simple. If it was, they'd have done it already. I still think the root problem is guaranteed contract, not about the Harden case, but in general. Maybe there's a way to combine my two proposal. If you have a guaranteed contract, there will be much more restrictive trade conditions. That may make both the team and the player to be careful when they sign a contract.

    From the team's POV, if you want to lock up a player with guaranteed contract, you run the risk of the player under-performing and you get stuck with a dead weight. If you give the player unguaranteed contract, you run the risk of losing him.

    From the player's POV, if you want the security of a guaranteed contract, you have to be committed to the team for the duration of the contract. If you want the flexibility of movement, you don't get the security of guaranteed money.
     
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    Giannis is going to sign that extension. He just might be a member of another team after asking for a trade.

    But, I think the Bucks will try to retain Brook by giving him a longer deal with lower dollars per year while other teams will be throwing out bigger 2 yr deals. Something like 4 yr/72M vs 2 yr/50M.

    For Middleton, I don't understand why he'd go into free agency other than it being a weak year. He's owed 40M, no way he gets close to that.

    I would look at teams like Twolves, Nets, Clippers, or Hawks as teams with higher payrolls that aren't really contenders to start dumping key players before a team like the Bucks that recently won a championship with the same roster.
     
  16. Rocket River

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    IF HE LEAVES. . . it's a sign and trade
    HE WILL GET HIS MONEY!!

    Rocket River
     
  17. snowconeman22

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    its risk insurance for the player .

    if kris can get 120 over 4 years then he’s tripling his guaranteed stake . If he plays and does poorly / gets hurt then how much will he get offered . He can probably bargain for a player opt-out too and make more if the market keeps rising . When does the cap go up again ?
     
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  20. ThatBoyNick

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    Yaniz for 62 million seems like a steal when Jaden McDaniels is making 27
     
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