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[WaPo] Students’ understanding of history and civics is worsening

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  1. Os Trigonum

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/05/03/civics-history-education-naep-democracy/

    Students’ understanding of history and civics is worsening
    By Donna St. George
    May 3, 2023 at 12:00 a.m. EDT

    Just 13 percent of the nation’s eighth graders were proficient in U.S. history last year, and 22 percent were proficient in civics, marking another decline in performance during the pandemic and sounding an alarm about how well students understand their country and its government.

    The findings, released Wednesday, show a five-point slide since 2018 in the average history score on the National Assessment of Educational Progress, or NAEP, often called “the nation’s report card.” In civics, eighth grade scores fell two points, the first decline ever recorded on the tests, which cover the American political system, principles of democracy and other topics.

    Peggy G. Carr, commissioner of the National Center for Education Statistics, referred to the results as “a national concern,” saying that “too many of our students are struggling … to understand and explain the importance of civic participation, how American government works and the historical significance of events.”

    In U.S. history, students across most racial and ethnic groups lost ground, as did all but the highest performers. Scores in both subjects are now comparable to the 1990s.

    “These are two critically important subject areas, not just for the success of students individually in the future, but for our success collectively as a society,” said Patrick Kelly, a 12th-grade government teacher in South Carolina and member of the National Assessment Governing Board, which sets policy for NAEP.

    Kelly said the results partly reflect the way that social studies instruction has been “in many ways marginalized,” particularly at the state level, where officials focus on accountability systems that measure progress only in reading and math.

    There was no mention in the data compilation of recent battles nationally over what should be taught in the classroom, including issues that touch on race and racism.

    But U.S. Secretary of Education Miguel Cardona did not ignore the issue. While linking poor performance to the “profound impact” of the pandemic, he objected to efforts by politicians to cut education funding or limit learning. “Banning history books and censoring educators from teaching these important subjects does our students a disservice and will move America in the wrong direction,” he said in a statement.

    Martin West, an education professor at Harvard University who sits on NAEP’s governing board, emphasized the data does not point to reasons for the decline. “That said, I think it’s fair to speculate that ongoing debates over how to teach history may well be getting in the way of actually doing it,” he said.

    West and others said that while the pandemic may have contributed to the lower scores, it clearly does not fully explain it. In U.S. history, scores began falling after 2014 and were down four points by 2018.

    A majority of students had also taken a course in eighth grade mainly about U.S. history but that percentage ticked down from 72 percent to 68 percent. For civics, it was roughly 50 percent in 2018 and 2022.

    The history and civics tests, given every four years, were taken in January to March of 2022 by a nationally representative group of 15,800 students from 410 public and private schools across the country. They were administered by the National Center for Education Statistics, part of the U.S. Department of Education.

    The decline was not as stunning as math and reading data released in September. Math scores among 9-year-olds fell seven points from 2020 to 2022, in a first-ever decline, while reading scores slipped five points, the largest dip in 30 years. Test scores released in October were similarly stark.

    The eighth-graders tested in U.S. history and civics were from the same population of students whose math and reading scores set off wide concern.

    In 2018, 15 percent of students who reached or exceeded proficiency in U.S. history, compared to last year’s 13 percent. In civics, it was 24 percent in 2018, falling to 22 percent last year.

    Beverly Perdue, the board’s chair and former governor of North Carolina, said she found the low scores “disturbing” and believed the pandemic played a role. Still, she added, “that can’t become the scapegoat for the fact that our students are not achieving at grade level.”

    Some focused on longtime inattention to history and civics.

    Chester E. Finn Jr., president emeritus of the Thomas B. Fordham Institute, a conservative think tank, ticked off what he sees as contributing factors to low scores: poor state standards, poorly trained teachers, limited instructional time, spotty and uneven curriculums and the lack of an accountability system.

    “The ideal takeaway is: ‘This is one of these Sputnik moments that says we’ve got to say the schools aren’t doing their part to prepare American citizens,’” he said. “This should be an alarm bell, a call to do something different.”



     
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    Only 13% are proficient? And it was only 5pts higher before the pandemic?

    What is proficient? Probably not what we think…

    wiki:

    Interpretation of NAEP results has been difficult: NAEP's category of "proficient" on a reading test given to fourth graders reflects students who do well on the test and are at seventh grade level.[23] NAEP's category of "proficient" on a math test given to eighth graders reflects students who do well on the test and are at twelfth grade level.[24] The fact that few eighth graders are proficient by this standard and achieve at twelfth grade level has been misinterpreted to allege that few eighth graders achieve even at eighth grade level.[25]NAEP says, "Students who may be proficient in a subject, given the common usage of the term, might not satisfy the requirements for performance at the NAEP achievement level"[23] James Harvey, principal author of A Nation at Risk, says, "It's hard to avoid concluding that the word was consciously chosen to confuse policymakers and the public."[23]
     
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    Art history dropouts
     
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    Hey Sheeri!
    Who do I vote???
     
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    What about art history ??
     
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    One of my arguments against CRT is kids don't learn the current content. Adding more isn't the answer
     
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    CRT is an advanced legal theory not taught in public school.
     
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    So, again, this is pretty meaningless and misleading. The definition of “proficient” here is not about meeting grade level understanding but way above grade level. It’s not that surprising that less than 25% are super advance.
     
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    I know it's not taught in public school. What makes you call it an advanced legal theory? Is it taught in law school? Do you disagree that some advocate it taught in school?
     
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    Where is the definition of proficient stated in relation to this report? A link would be appreciated if anyone has it

    I think besides this, there's a significant point being made about the statistical stagnation to decline in testing scores across the country since the early 2010s.

    I remember making a post about it in a thread a while back that I'll fish out
     
  12. Amiga

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    See my post above (wiki source). It's for math and science and I assumed it's similar for history/civic.

    Long term downward trend and even short term downward trend (due to the pandemic) are very valid concerns. Though I also have a problem with standardized testing in general. A bit too much focus on teaching to the standardized tests.
     
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    Because it's hard legal stuff meant for lawyers to argue civil cases. It was in a dark corner that no one pay much attention to until it was made into a cultural issue. I disagree that legal theories, including this one, is being advocated to be taught in public school.
     
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    Unpopular opinion - Deteriorating education system is not sustainable which will eventually lead to significant deterioration in society across the board.
     
  17. ThatBoyNick

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    We spend amongst the top in the world in dollars per student terms on public primary/secondary education, in terms of % of GDP spent on public education, and certainly public spending for tertiary education, we could do more.

    In 2018 we ranked #25 in the world on the PISA score average across math/science/reading
     
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    AI enhanced teachers coming to a corner near you.
     
  19. tinman

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    I know woke losers like woke123 don’t even know who Akeem Olajuwon is

    They don’t know Rockets history
    Or Clutchfans history
     
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    Unpopular opinion. A lot of these outcomes have more to do with economic shifts that lead to both parents needing to earn wages in a single household more so than 40 years ago.

    The amount of kids now who have a full time dedicated parent paying attention to their academic and intellectual needs is becoming less and less common.

    This is all a result of parents being spread thin.
     

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