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Justice Clarence Thomas has secretly accepted luxury trips from a major Republican donors

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by astros123, Apr 6, 2023.

  1. SamFisher

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    100 years ago markets needed regulations, but modern information society has eliminated the need for this.

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    Doge has a Shiba Inu. What do $amFisherCoins have? Any cute or cool icon? You know like a Walrus holding a Punisher logo. Maybe a diamond in his tusk?
     
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    Because different states have different laws around health care. This is not a federal gov't issue, it's a state one. In fact, many people want to federal gov't to get involved to create policies that can span across states, but people don't want this gov't interference. So you're actually bringing up something that is countering your own argument here without realizing it.

    And you can buy policies that don't cover pre-existing conditions assuming you are not at high risk for anything - and they are much cheaper. So again, this point doesn't make sense. Furthermore, the coverage of pre-existing conditions isn't what is driving up insurance rates - it's new conditions that require expensive medicines or surgeries.

    It's deregulation and the corporatization of health care. It's "freedom" and libertarianism in health care.

    Let me give you an example. Hospitals have so many executives now - one hospital system I've worked with has a team of 40 marketers, many of them making hundred's of thousands of dollars a year in salary and bonuses. Most companies don't have teams that big for marketing. All that fat is what causes a one night in a hospital to be a $10k affair - you are paying for all of those executive salaries.

    That's libertarianism for you. Blame the issue on some liberal health care policy, not the actual root of the cause which would support more regulation, not less.
     
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    An 8 bit gif of Tilman telling you you're not a good christian person
     
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    Why do we need a department of labor to ensure children aren't being abused? Cmon guys we can obviously trust corporate America !!

    I genuinely can't phantom the utter amount of brain rot you must suffer to sincerely think that.
     
  6. VooDooPope

    VooDooPope Love > Hate

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    If only there were less Government regulations and oversight on businesses this type of thing wouldn't be happening.

    Am I doing it right @StupidMoniker ?
     
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  7. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Yes, I am aware the Constitution was written after the Articles of Confederation. The Articles were drafted in 1777, during the war. The United States was a fledgling country that was just coming out of war with the greatest empire in the world (possibly in the history of the world). The framers felt the articles didn't provide a strong enough country to stand on it's own in those circumstances (not to mention the money that was needed to defend the new nation, prosecute extraterritorial wars against the Indian tribes, fight piracy, and rebuild from the war, which the Articles did not allow to be raised).

    The Articles of Confederation didn't really even create a nation, more of a treaty between nations. There was no national currency, no national court system, no free trade, no national military, and no executive branch. It granted each state one vote in a legislature that required a 9/13 majority to pass laws with no means of enforcement. It was less of a nation than the EU.
    ‘There’s No Game Plan’: Bud Light Sales Collapse amid Backlash to Dylan Mulvaney Campaign (yahoo.com) I don't know why you would look to stock prices of huge companies with many different offerings when it is obvious that the single referenced product has been hugely affected.
    Again, this is not stuff that happened in the information age. There is a reason the Jungle is referenced here, and it is because it had a powerful effect. Now you don't need to wait for a book to be published and distributed, that stuff happens instantly on the internet.
    You are not legally allowed to buy health insurance across state lines. That is not because of different laws in different states, that is federal law.
    Insurance companies are not legally allowed to sell plans that don't cover pre-existing conditions. The only exceptions are grandfathered individual plans that you bought before enactment of the ACA in 2010. That was literally one of the tentpole policies of the ACA. How would new conditions that you don't have yet drive up the cost of health insurance?
    The cost of health insurance went up after the ACA was passed. That was not deregulation.
    Calling the American health care system libertarian must be some sort of sick joke. It is a mishmash of government and highly regulated corporate systems.
     
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    The budlight saga has yet to fully play out. a few weeks means nothing. Budlight is handling this very poorly though. What's interesting is that the right is celebrating cancel culture after having bemoaned it for years. Too bad they can't make up their mind what they stand for on principals other than hating transgender people.

    ACA lowered health premiums - anyone telling you otherwise is twisting the data. More people on health insurance lowers premiums. More people getting preventive care lowers premiums. This is what the ACA did. Mandates aren't why premiums go up. This is a myth you are buying into.

    Federal law is in deference to the states. If you allowed insurance providers to skirt state laws, you'd have mayhem. Consumers don't understand the complexities of insurance coverage, and they would get screwed as unlicensed policies would be offered to them at rock bottom prices and they would not realize they were buying thin air until they were too sick. It would cause everyone else's (who were not fooled) premiums to rise drastically. You simply don't understand how this market works.
     
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    Race absolutely plays a role. His anecdotes that got him in good standing with American right wing politics only work if he's black.
     
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    This just floors me, I mean was it a kid who looked way older than his real age?? As a parent how do you allow this and then as a manager at Mcdonalds how the hell do you hire a 10 year old, did they not run this through HR. Something seems off on this story, it makes no sense for this to happen
     
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    It's adorable how naive you folks are when it comes to capitalism. I work in the healthcare field where I sell CPAPs/bipaps and I see respiratory therapists and doctors taking shortcuts all the time. I see unlicensed nurses and staff ALLL the time. Without Medicare and state audits the entire system would collapse. I wish some of you guys could work in rural America for a week and you'll change your opinions overnight.

    It's so funny how utterly naive folks are when it comes to capitalism. The only thing corporate America gives a flying **** about is their next earnings call.

    The idea that we can somehow trust corporate America to govern themselves is the dumbest **** I've heard in my life but that's what being a "libertarian" is about I guess.
     
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    WOW......
     
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    Unfortunately, that's gonna need Congressional approval...I don't think it will stick with the FTC doing it. We so badly need privacy/data protection laws passed in this country.
     
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    ftc has a consent decree with meta so if they can prove meta violated it then a judge might uphold the ban. The key is meta already agreed to a consent decree. Supposedly meta was selling children weight and personal info with advertisers without permission from the user.

    Big tech is out of control. Libertarians and all these folks need to get a reality check cuz they're utterly clueless and just dumb
     
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    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Yes, it is very sad that they have embraced cancel culture.
    Mandating that you accept people who are guaranteed losses has to be covered by everyone else. Health insurance premiums increased at a higher rate than inflation from 2010 through today, according to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics. I suppose they could be lying to me or twisting the data.
    So federal law doesn't permit me to buy health insurance across state lines and doesn't permit me to buy health insurance that doesn't cover preexisting conditions (my exact claim that you said was wrong), but you think I am the one that doesn't understand. Thanks.
     
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    ACA lowered premiums. What you fail to represent is that premiums were increasing even faster prior to ACA and 2010.

    You can buy plans that don't cover pre-exisiting conditions if you fall into certain criteria. But no, you can't buy plans across state lines because it would circumvent states efforts at managing health care - which I have stated over and over again. Allowing this would result in HIGHER premiums and WORSE coverage.
     
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    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Tilman has an 8-bit face, TBH.

    spoilered for splendor

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    Somehow cancun is defending supreme court justice thomas' having expensive vacations paid for by a wealthy republican who benefited from cases in front of the court by showing other justices took more trips.

     

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