So you say, but yet you keep coming back. That's why it's so fun for me, literally the gift of laughter that keeps on giving!
LOL if that's what you have to tell yourself, sure. Like I said, when you don't post I don't mention you or think about you. Keep them low IQ posts coming though. They genuinely make me LOL.
He's not gonna be Jokic let's be real but he is definitely gonna end up being better than Sabonis if he is given enough chances to improve. Sabonis has quicker feet and it helps him on defense but Sengun has longer reach (2 inches about 5 cm) and more fierce than Sabonis. Already averages 1 block per game which Sabonis has never averaged b4. Also Sengun is definitely mentally a lot stronger than Sabonis. It's really weird the other day Sabonis had a lot of 1v1 situations but just didn't wanna attack the rim. Looney definitely put fear in his heart. You can't really deter Sengun from what he is willing to do. He goes at you every single time. He looks for revenge. He ain't a b**** like Sabonis. Has active hands when he gave a **** he looked playable in this season. I'd say right now he is 100% below average on defense but he can get to Jokic level in 3-4 years with Ime. Mind you Brook Lopez was pretty bad too. That being said improvement is rarely linear that's why i wanna judge them with what they have. For instance Mobley is a dogshit post season player until he shows that he isn't. It's harsh but it's the only reality we have. I'm optimistic about his future because he is open to improvement. It's just about his character i think. I mean i don't get that lazy vibe from him. I believe that if he never reaches to his potential it'll be because of we misevaluated his potential not because he didn't give his best in postseasons or in trainings. That's how i also think about Jabari. I think he will give 110% of him but he might not end up being Klay v.2.0 because his peak might just be Harrison Barnes. It's like football manager current ability, potential ability thing. Jabari might just have 110 CA and 130 PA which is a ****ing nightmare. I don't hate him but kid is straight up bad at basketball. He's objectively bad atm. You could grab a random dude who has never watched a bb game b4, sit him down and let him watch his highlights, best moments and he still can tell that he looks a bit stiff. He could be elite at what he's currently decent at but his limitations might prevent him from being nothing more than a role player. I'm actually more curious about his progression than anyone in this team.
I agree with most of your post but it is hard to say he is never going to be Jokic when he is already better than Jokic at the same age. I am not saying he will be better than current Jokic but it is possible. Only time will tell.
Defense narrative for Jokic is shattering so they want to pivot and compare Sengun to Sabonis instead. Except defense wasn’t the problem for Sabonis in the playoffs either, it was his offense and in game 7 his rebounding.
The SOF's can say whatever they want into the void, but nobody will or should take them seriously. It's all about creating a game within the game. Creating factions inside a house like Succession or Game of Thrones. People get off on this kind of crap in sports fandom. I think it's entertaining in TV shows.... in real life though when I just want to root for a winning basketball team though its annoying AF. Until Sengun or anyone on this team is good enough to actually get this team into the playoffs I really don't care if they get traded, get benched, get the starting spot, get announced last at home games etc. etc. This team has some nice talent I'm rooting on to improve, but the fact is all of them sucked last year, and the evidence to that statement is right there in their record.
This argument is idiotic. Based on this, nobody should have cared if Stephen Curry had gotten traded from the Golden State Warriors in 2010, after his team finished with a 26-56 record, when he was 21 (as old as Green is now, and a year older than Sengun is now). The next year, they improved only slightly to 36-46; in his third year, they went 23-43. Finally, in his fourth year, they had their first winning record. Of course, @dobro1229 would not have cared as a GSW fan if he had gotten traded, since he was "not good enough to actually get his team into the playoffs". Michael Jordan had gotten traded from the Chicago Bulls in 1985, after his team finished with a 38-44 record, when he was 21 (as old as Green is now, and a year older than Sengun is now). Jordan's team actually got worse in his second year, finishing with a 30-52 record (but he didn't play much that year), and still had a losing record with him playing every game in his third year, 40-42. According to @dobro1229, nobody should have cared if Jordan had gotten traded! He sucked! "The evidence was right there in their record." The list of course goes on and on and on. Dirk Nowitzki had a losing record in his first two seasons. Not to forget a certain Lebron James, who missed the playoffs in his debut season (under Stephen Silas' dad) with a 35-47 record. @dobro1229 would have said:
I hope he's Michael Jordan or Dirk Nowitzki.... But he aint either of those guys now. Do you not get rid of him for a bag of rocks because of his "potential"... yes. 100%. Do you look at him as untouchable because everyone is sure he's the next great superstar.... heck no.... unless you are a weirdo SOF. IMO he's unproven, but still a worthwhile talent. He's not in the Terrence Williams or Hasheem Thabeet category or anything like you guys fantasize everyone else out to thinking that's what he is. He's talented... we like him... we want him to do well.... BUT he's not a proven foundational star. He could be.... and in 4 years he could also be out of the league playing in Europe. That's just the truth dude. He aint Dirk or Michael F-ing Jordan yet... and the NBA is a cruel place for bigs like Sengun. That's just the reality of the track record the NBA has with bigs that can't defend the paint, and rely on getting the ball in the low post to score.
The thing is, Dirk at age 20 wasn't championship Dirk yet either. It all comes down to how much you believe in the player's potential, and where his ceiling is (for the good of the team). Here is a comparison of Alperen vs. Dirk at age 20. I'm German, nobody can accuse me of being biased against Dirk... Here is a comparison of them both in their second season (with Dirk being a year older than Alperen is now). Dirk always had a reputation as being a bad defender, throughout his career. You can see that Alpi appears to be a better defender than Dirk at that stage in their respective careers. I guess my only point is, the argument "the guy hasn't taken his team to the playoffs, hence it doesn't matter if he gets traded" isn't valid in itself and without context, especially when they are so young, and you see big improvement from one year to another. You either believe the player is going to continue on a positive enough trajectory to hold on to him (which Curry's, Lebron's and Jordan's teams obviously did, as did Kobe's team, etc.), or you don't. People like @maj21 don't believe it, or have a bias, or whatever. But to base the argument that a player should be "tradable" on "not having gotten your team to the playoffs" isn't valid, without a lot of additional context. If you have a guy who is 22, has played 5 seasons in the NBA and is still making bone-headed mistakes and still a distraction in the locker room...different story... P.S.: Looking at Dirk's improvement in 3-point shooting from his first to his second year - I am hoping that we will see something similar from Jabari, and to a lesser extent also from Alpi this coming year!
The way I look at it, with international players, there are some early data points. Doncic was already great at Real Madrid at an extremely young age. Dirk only played 2nd division in Germany, but absolutely destroyed the US players his age at the Nike Hoop Summit Obviously, we know about what Wemby has been doing, and his crazy combination of length and skill. But Alperen is in that category. To win MVP at age 18 in probably the second best national basketball league in the world, with a bunch of ex-NBA players in it...that is a predictor of a future career trajectory that doesn't scream "role player". It screams "potentially franchise-altering talent". And if you look at how he improved from his first year in the NBA to his second year in the NBA, it would be unreasonable to assume that his future career trajectory in terms of productivity is flat from here. I would argue that it is more likely than not that he will be a 20/10/6 guy next season already, if given the minutes. When you look at what he did in his best games, even though the coach resisted playing through him...I mean, he is only the youngest center EVER in the NBA to record two triple doubles. The kid just oozes talent. I mean, even KPJ's uncle says Alperen is the most skilled player on the team...
That's what is important to remember, the cult of Sengun is a pseudo-religion, it's all about faith.....and seeking to destroy non-believers and apostates.
I don’t think anyone has ever said Sengun wasn’t talented or skilled. The concerns he has always needed to answer are shooting and defense.
I am sure if Sengun were playing in that game he would've boxed Looney out every single time instead of going for rebounds.
