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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. basso

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    Has anyone read about any impacts from the Doofus Discord leaks on our intelligence in Ukraine? There was a lot of sensitive info in the open regarding the US having a hold on Russian intel.
     
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    You keep posting some version of this. However it is really simple - all the Russians have to do is turn around and go home.

    You keep labeling everyone a war monger except the actual war monger - Russia.

    Do you blame a woman that is beaten by her husband for defending herself? Do you blame a homeowner for defending himself from those that broke into his house.

    Russia controls this war. Go home and it’s over.
     
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  7. Space Ghost

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    And I keep repeating. This is not our war to finance or fight. Russia is not at our door step. You either believe Russia is on the cusp of taking over Europe or you believe Russia is inept and can't follow through with the most basic military campaign. There are people here who hold both thoughts simultaneously and its ignorant. If Europe is so terrified of Russia (which they aren't) then they should be buying the weapons from the United States and giving them to Ukraine. They should be the ones financing the Ukraine war, not the United States.

    This war is already lost. Russia doesn't give a **** about their people so they have nothing to lose. They will pack up their bags and go home soon enough if the US continues to commit to this proxy war for the next decade. BRICS is in full swing and more and more countries are becoming friendly to it. This isn't about sinking the United States or its world reserve currency. This is about getting out from under the grips of Western sanctions.
     
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    There were no sanctions on Russia until it invaded. So how can you say it's invading to escape the sanctions placed on it for invading? Makes no sense.

    More than Europe at stake here. This isn't about our doorstep, it's about our country being strong. How many GOP'ers were upset that Obama didn't honor the red line pledge with Syria - or that he allowed Russia to take Crimea?

    Now that Biden draws a line in the sand, everyone is upset and calling him a war monger? I guarantee you that European countries like the Baltic States and Poland are relieved. I guarantee you that Taiwan is relieved and China is probably rethinking an invasion of Taiwan anytime soon.

    When the US shows it will not be passive on the world stage, it shapes the entire world. It stabilizes the world. And our economy depends on a stable world.
     
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    Damn Zelensky must’ve been more persuasive than previously thought.

    I also suspect that the message that Macron delivered to Xi that continued PRC support for Russia would harm relations with Europe affected this. This is also why I wasn’t concerned even welcomed Macron’s diplomatic effort. By showing he had some independence from the US he was likely more persuasive than other European leaders.
     
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    Except that we just saw that the PRC has now agreed to recognize Russia as the aggressor. BRICS is far from a certainty especially given tht there is strong differences among those countries.
     
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    Seriously, Russia can end it whenever they like the USA should continue to support the Ukraine as long as necessary.

    DD
     
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    If I hadn't seen similar bizarre posts from you in times past, then your strange twisting of logic and the truth into a pretzel devoid of sense would astonish me. Instead, I'm left wondering where you find your opinions, where are the sources that push you into oncoming traffic, that traffic being made up of the truth that you are constantly beating your head against.

    As @Nook and others have repeatedly pointed out, Russia began this, Russia is the aggressor, Russia is committing massive war crimes against a democracy, Ukraine, that most of the world's other democracies, including our own, have chosen to help in it's fight against a mad dictator. It comes with a cost. That cost is worth paying.

    One of the driving forces behind Ukraine's strongest supporters are the countries both within and outside of Europe who remember what happened when they appeased Adolph Hitler. Unlike you and a few others here, there is no appeasing of Vladimir Putin. For a time there was, but his brutal invasion of Ukraine made perfectly clear that just what kind of creature he is. One that must be stopped.
     
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    We aren’t fighting the war. How many US soldiers have died in the Ukraine? It is in the USA’s best interest to strengthen relations with Ukraine and sell weapons to them.

    Russia has attempted to compromise the USA in the very recent past. Russia has invaded and taken territory in the recent past.

    The success of the US backed Ukraine has direct consequences in relationships and standing in a global perspective.

    Also, for all you said - the facts remain the same, the USA and Ukraine are not the aggressor. All Russia has to do is turn around… that is who you should direct your blame and concern towards.
     
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    When I state the Ukraine situation is not our war to fight and/or to be involved in, how is that in ANY form denying Russia is the aggressor? Who is denying Russia is the aggressor? Why is this constantly being brought up? Nobody is denying this.

    When the Soviet Union was meddling throughout the world during the 60's and 70's, why were the liberals denouncing US activities in Asia while Republicans were on the war path?

    So now you're back on the train of comparing Putin to Adolf and the fear of Putin taking over Europe. Answer me - Which is it? Russia is this mighty force that will take over Europe ... or Putins military is so incompetent they can't take over Ukraine? Or is it the more accurate take; You're just trying to find the worst version of history (Hitler) that has almost no correlation to the current situation because your argument sucks. News flash - No country is going to war against a NATO nation in the foreseeable future.

    The United States is not the global police. Many of us are tired of the United States being in a constant state of war. The money being spent on these stupid wars should be going to STEM and tech, not killing people and spreading western democracy. This once was a liberal ideology.
     
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    Putin has stated he wants to rebuild the Soviet block, he is Hitler - there is no doubt.

    Time for Putin to go.....

    DD
     
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    Ukraine is drafting volunteers... chase your passion my friend. (or stay home in your high castle and expect everyone else to sacrifice their life for your beliefs)
     
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    Except his forces are incapable of advancing 60kms into Ukraine but yea, sure, the Russian military is about to take over the rest of the world or something.
     
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    BRICS or not, China, India and Russia have been working together to undermine the US and the US Dollar for the last two decades at least, maybe longer.
    They haven't been successful but .... ignoring their attempts is dangerous.

    Now we see the Saudi's open to trading in other currencies for the first time in 5 decades.
    Saudi Arabia Is Open To Discuss Non-Dollar Oil Trade Settlements | OilPrice.com

    China and France just completed an LNG trade in the Yuan which is the first such trade since the "petro dollar" was established in 1973.
    'Petrodollar' at risk as TotalEnergies sells LNG to China in yuan (rfi.fr)
     
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    You ignore the fact that your claims are false in many cases - including the ones about sanctions.

    And again, the US isn't involved in this war, it's only providing material support which is a no brainer. We can stop an expansionist power just by supplying weapons - why wouldn't you? You claim the US isn't the world police yet you have failed to demonstrate the US is playing that role.

    The US is protecting its own interest here. If you don't think global stability is valuable - say so. But ignoring the holes in your argument and cherry picking what you want to debate when I and others are points holes and making a strong counter argument isn't really making a strong case for your argument here.
     
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    India and China working together?
     

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