Netflix’s Black Cleopatra ‘documentary’:Egyptian comedian on Jada Pinkett, 'This b****!!'

As far as we can tell all modern humans descended from ancestors that were in Sub Saharan Africa and the most humans with the most ancient and common genes to all modern humans are !Kung Bushmen. From that all of our ancient ancestors would be racially categorized as “black” under current racial standards.

In the case of Cleopatra this isn’t just about representation or modern issues of diversity but it is a fact that ancient Egyptians and other eastern Mediterranean people interacted with black Africans from Kush and Numidia which would be modern day Sudan and Ethiopia. Also in ancient Egyptian art such as tomb paintings Egyptian pharaohs and other figures are portrayed with varying skin tones including tones darker than many people considered black in current times.

Cleopatra was the last pharaoh of the Ptolemy dynasty founded by Alexander the Great who is generally considered light skinned and white. We don’t know how much of that genetic makeup stayed by the time do Cleopatra. That Cleopatra could’ve been dark skinned is very possible.

 

This is what wokies didn't understand years ago when they were getting triggered that people had a problem with race swapping fictional characters. Eventually it was going to reach points were we now have historical figures getting race swapped, if this trend continues what will future generations believe our history actually is?

 

Lmao, you know damn well she wasn't black.... Stop with the mental gymnastics.

 

This is up there with the olmecs were black line of thinking.

 

And you know for certain she wasn’t? Do you have a Time Machine?

No one knows for certain what skin color Cleopatra was or if she was the beauty she is is supposed to be. If you have some counter evidence to what I posted please share it.

 

Since I'm an art history nerd here is a painting from an Egytian tomb discovered in 2019 of the Ptolemaic Dynasty, the one that Cleopatra was the last ruler of.


As you can see the Egyptians of that time depicted themselves with varrying skin tones including darker than many who would be considered "black" in the US.

 

There are a lot of dark people who are not black. Skin tone isn't everything.

Maybe we need to discuss what everyone's consensus is on what is black.

 

wait . . . looks to me like Cleopatra might have been red

 

didn't realize this had worked its way up the food chain from the original lawsuit. Apparently the Egyptian government has weighed in:

Following Controversy Surrounding Netflix's Queen Cleopatra, Egypt's Council Of Antiquities Weighs In

https://www.cinemablend.com/streami...patra-egypts-council-of-antiquities-weighs-in

 

Cleopatra was from the Ptolemaic Dynasty, which is Macedonian.

The first 100 years of the dynasty did not engage in in-breeding, but we know the actual lineage for the first 100 years and where the parents lived and came from.

The last 200 years was inbreeding, and we know who these people are too.

So it isn't very likely that Cleopatra was much of anything other than Macedonian-Greek.

Further, there are coins and other representations of her during her lifetime, and other than obvious signs of incest - her features are very macedonian.

They are also traced and have paintings of her other relatives.

Cleopatra wasn't Egytian - she wasn't black - she spend most of her time outside of Egypt.

While anything is possible, it is an extreme long shot.

Depicting Cleopatra as black (which means African, as Egyptians don't consider themselves African) in something other than a documentary would be fine - I.E. a movie, etc........ but this is an example of the continued erosion of the truth because we don't like the truth - and that isn't right. Likewise, Jesus wasn't African or European.

 

It appears that we did not come from a single group in Southern or Eastern Africa. We came from a variety of different groups, and "humans" already were outside of Africa nearly 200,000 years ago. That doesn't even consider that some of these ancient humans may also have interbred with archaic hominins in Africa, separately from encounters with Neanderthals and Denisovans in Eurasia.

So we largely are not sure of what happened, but the belief that based on the information known now, we can trace out lineage to several hundred thousand years ago, leaving from multiple groups in Africa.... and at some point Neanderthals and others joined out genetic party.

There are some in the field, that are considered somewhat credible that believe that we started even earlier in Australia and there are still a few experts, but not many, that maintain it was in China.

Agreed Egyptians traded with an interacted with Africans. However, Cleopatra was not genetically Egyptian, and her family was often outside of Egypt. The dynastic line lasted 300 years, and in that entire time not a single ruler bothered to learn Egyptian until Cleopatra. They were very insulated. Her bloodline is known as well - for example they know that she was a small percentage Iranian.

The claims that Cleopatra was black have been discredited.... there is lots of research on it.

Except we do know - because there are frescos and other depictions of the lineage, and they are olive skinned with dark hair - which is consistent with what we have from that period.

There is nothing credible that Cleopatra was dark skinned - and even if she were hypothetically dark skinned, that would not make her black - but brown, as most people in that general region do not identify as black.

 

Macedonia is in fact a region in northern Greece. It has been that way for centuries. Present day Macedonia (the country) used to be called FYROM - Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. The country Macedonia did not exist during the time of cleopatra or Alexander the Great. It came about thousands of years later with Yugoslavia dissolving.

This distinction has caused a lot of problems between Greece and modern day Macedonia as a lot of important Macedonian history is in fact referencing northern Greece. This includes Alexander the Great and Cleopatra. People in current Macedonia the country have nothing in common with Greeks. They are Slavic.

I’ve spent a lot of time in northern Greece and understand this sentiment and history very well.

 

Something like this sounds Jada Pinket Smith's doing.

 

Cleopatra lived more than 300 years after Alexander’s in a tropical climate. Also the rulers of the time were known to spread their seed around so how strictly the blood line was controlled can’t be a certainty either.

Obviously she wouldn’t be African American but under our current racial definitions we consider people from The areas of ancient Numidia and Kush to be black. Given many of those were in the both ancient Egypt and the Roman Empire at the time there certainly is the possibility of her being darker skin. Very possibly as dark as Halle Berry or as someone else mentioned Steph Curry.

Just to note Egypt is in Africa. And while modern Egyptians don’t consider themselves Africans the Romans did consider Egypt part of Africa.

It’s interesting that many are so resistant to the his possibility and it seems like that many are just downplaying the possibility because of how we’ve come to think of Cleopatra due to modern depictions