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[2023 NFL Draft/1-2] C.J. Stroud, QB, Ohio State

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by J.R., Apr 27, 2023.

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Do you like the selection of C.J. Stroud?

Poll closed Sep 11, 2023.
  1. YES

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  2. NO

    15.6%
  1. Fulgore

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    He has a very long stride and keeps his eyes downfield.

    He's not a runner, but he can move when needed.

    It's all about pocket awareness, really. Shedding and slipping tackles while he waits for his moment.
     
  3. cmoak1982

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    Majority of unbiased people know Mahomes is one of the most elusive QBs in the league. That isn’t debatable except here apparently
     
  4. cmoak1982

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    Not many
     
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    Exactly
     
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    Again, one game.
    And yes the linebacker ran him down and then ran into his own guy. He didn’t leave anyone and didn’t make anyone miss
     
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    Here is Matt Ryan MVP season highlights under Shanny system.
    There are multiple rushing plays that are similar to what Stroud is.
    Some of y’all should watch more football
     
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    I know what he ran.
    Stroud isn’t much faster than that, I know you guys want him to be but that’s the way he moves.
    Top end speed isn’t what I’m talking about anyways. His short are movement, and operating in space. They’re very similar
     
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    Also, the first run was 37 yr old Ryan. Younger Ryan is very similar to what Stroud is
     
  12. OremLK

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    Are we still arguing about how mobile Stroud is? How f***ing mobile is Brady at age 45? How mobile is Rodgers these days? How mobile was Manning, like... ever, let alone at age 39? You very clearly don't have to be good at rushing/scrambling to be a top 5 quarterback, so what are we even arguing about?
     
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    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...023-raiders-texans-cj-stroud-peter-king-fmia/

    You should have been at the Texans’ facility in the basement of NRG Stadium late Friday afternoon, when Stroud and Anderson put on a show of humility and team-firstness that had to make Texans fans so weary of losing (a league-worst 11-38-1 in the last three years) happy for the first time since the Wild Card win over Buffalo three years ago.

    Stroud and Anderson came with their families and made it clear they were all-in on going to a losing team after years of nothing but winning in college. Afterward, Stroud told me: “That’s what life is about, working to build something good. That’s what I’m here to help this team do. I’m ready for it.”

    The Texans have asked Stroud to let the S-2 Test controversy go, but he got a couple last licks in on it. A player who played the way Stroud did—particularly in putting up 41 points in his superb final college game in the playoff against Georgia—is not a player who can’t process, or can’t ID a defense. I understand using every tool in the bag to analyze players before the draft, and I’d check out why Stroud scored low on the test. But to think it’s a good indicator of future failure—I mean, watch the games he’s played.

    We stood in a hallway just off the Texans’ locker room for 12 minutes and I asked him about what he’s learned from the last three months.

    “Humility is something I’m not afraid of,” he said. “It’s something I’m accustomed to. This was all probably just a humble moment God wanted me to go through.

    “A lot of people haven’t played the sport, and I mean critics are gonna critique. For me I know the film speaks for itself. Everything that I’ve done in college, I’ve been very consistent. I think I’ve been one of the most consistent players in college football for the last two years. If you turn on the tape, you can see, you can answer the questions. But those who don’t understand tape might want to go to other things and analyze other things. They’re more than welcome to do such. But the people who are making the choices and the picks, they knew what I can do. They understood the IQ that I do have.

    “I have a great memory when it comes to football. I feel like there’s different ways to be geniuses. You don’t just have to be book smart. You can be analytics smart. You can be numbers smart. You can be football smart. I really think that there’s different types of ways to be smart. That’s something that I pride myself on. And I am book smart. I did have over a 3.0 in college. I had over a 3.0 in high school. I know that I can think. I can process very, very fast. The film, you can see me going from first option to second and then back to one and then to three to four if I have to. I can check down. I can use my feet.

    “But, you know, everything happens for a reason. I’m not upset. I’m actually blessed, I’m super blessed to be a Texan. Number two overall pick in the NFL draft, man. A little kid from the [California] Inland Empire. All smiles, man. I ain’t tripping about this.”

    Good attitude to have. But at the same time, I could feel it: C.J. Stroud will remember this pre-draft process. And for the Texans, that bit of motivation will be a very good thing.



    Thank you, Chris Ballard. I’m going to play cranky old sportswriter here. But I hate how this draft was semi-hijacked by a pre-draft test that virtually all of us had never heard of two months ago. That’s the eight-year-old S2 Cognition Test, which measures how quickly and accurately athletes process information, used by 14 NFL teams. The idea is great—giving teams one more metric to help judge which players will succeed and which won’t. And the early evidence is that fast-processing players (Brock Purdy had the best QB score among the 2022 draft class) play better in the NFL. My problem is this test became a be-all, end-all when discussing C.J. Stroud, who scored poorly on it. If he can’t process information well, the storyline went, he won’t be a good pro quarterback. And my problem with that was, did you watch Stroud’s last college game? Did you watch the decisions he made under pressure when he riddled the best defense in the country for 348 passing yards, four TDs and 41 points? This test should be a piece of the puzzle, not the answer to the puzzle. “Do we use the test?” Indy GM Chris Ballard told me. “Yes. We like it. But there’s not enough data to base your decisions on it.” Right on.
     
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    Kurt Warner Breakdown of CJ Stroud:


    This is for the s2 boys. This is SICK tape. Type of tape that I feel should have put him as QB1 this draft. Our luck.
     
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    Dropping dimes
     
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    But more importantly... the Processing in this video is elite in which Kurt Warner recognizes.

    Fast through reads while understanding what the defense is trying to do.
     
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    I will say, and I’m not sure that this is really enough for a knock. But at the 9min mark, the TD to Harrison Jr. Warner says “he could have thrown the post route. Or even the go route on the bottom which is a shorter throw, but no he makes the tougher choice and places it perfectly”
    1. I think Harrison Jr was his #1 receiver so he chose to throw to him.
    2. It was an ABSOLUTE DIME.
    3. The dude on the go route on the bottom was laughably wide open.
    Again, I don’t think it’s a knock, and I don’t think it was a processing issue, just don’t want to always see him trying to place it perfectly in coverage if we have a guy wide open. Why didn’t he see him or throw it there?
     
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    Right,

    But he also recognized the safety was gone and he had 1-1 with good odds.

    Thats processing in its own.

    Tough to know unless you talk to him of course. It was cool to hear Warner's constant "ooohhh" on throws.

    You can tell he came away impressed. Mentioned he does everything he needs to already, to be great in the NFL.
     
  19. houstonstime

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    Agreed, you’re allowed to make the “tougher choice” when you have the ability to run down the field and place the ball in your receivers hands. The throws are so perfect.
     
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    Play action with CJ will be exciting. His ability to push the ball down the field should lead to plenty of big plays. CJs brings a similar arm to that of Richardson with a more refined understanding of the position "processing' be damned. Shultz is going to have a huge year. I hope misdirection is staple of the offense as it could allow CJ to shine early.
     
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