Can Green + Sengun be our version of Fox + Sabonis?

Monk is also playing a part as well, Lakers should have retained him over Schroeder

But you may be on to something with the duo comparison, its still early so I guess we shall see when they hit their 25/26 age seasons, being that is they are still on roster

 

Well Sengun is already better than Sabonis offensively. The entire series Sabonis had the one move when making his own offensive play at the ring, and because of that he was called for more than one offensive foul.

I didn't see any counters to what the defense was showing him.

Sengun would be eating good if the entire paint was cleared and he was going one v one against the opposing big.

 

I've been watching that series through the same lens. One thing that surprised me how limited Sabonis is on offense compared to sengun. He is very stiff(he is the true 'unathletic' center), cannot create much for himself or has passing anywhere near Sengun. And despite that he is averaging a consistent 19 points for the last 4 years and between 5-7 assists(7.3 this season). Sengun should easily surpass these numbers and have a better two-player game with Green, and be a better passing big in general in a system like this.

I am also expecting significant changes in the way we use off ball screens and hand-offs to get the ball to Green, which should make his life much easier. And show us a glimpse of how much of a success is possible with this type of construction. So totally into the idea!!

 

People really do not understand the concept of fitting together.....but they are on a decent way.

 

Green dosent have anywhere near Fox court vision, speed or shooting ability . Stop it. Sabonis is having a rough time with a physical Looney and Green.

Fox is now in the conversation as a top 20 player.

 

While Fox is not a Halliburton type of playmaker he is a standard attacking PG.

Green is not a PG by a long shot.

That itself would suggest both are not in the same category.

Fox and Westbrook look like sprinters at times yes.

 

We all love to compare players to players with similar height, strengths and angles but at the end of the day we only get a small glimpse into their organization and life.

What really makes them a winner vs mediocre player vs loser is mentality and how they view life, stuff like that.

For example why not compare De'Aaron's love story with Recee, that is giving him strength to play basketball.

That was quite an inspiring article into his life.

Sabonis and his full family plus Arvydas.

 

Silas never really used or tried to develop Jalen's playmaking. He actively told Jalen he couldn't be a playmaker and offered to put Nix in the game with Jalen as much as possible, because he needed playmaking. Silas was an idiot.

 

Fully agree on defense. Despite the numbers favor Sabonis for ts% and assists, I still think Sengun is the better offensive player and it is not very close.

1) Silas's system(if you can call it one) did not help players to get good shots
2) Sabonis gets about 50% touches than sengun per game
3) Sabonis has career high ts% and assists, not sure if this is sustainable
4) Sengun averaged the same number of assists as Sabonis in January when he was used as a passer
5) A lot of sabonis's assists come within the system from hand offs, or as the final passer when the team is moving the ball.

My intention is not to put Sabonis down, but rather emphasize that Sengun would thrive under such a role to easily surpass sabonis. And as you mentioned, Sengun is 20, which still sounds crazy.

 

Sengun I sincerely believe is flat out more talented than Sabonis. As long as he takes his physical fitness as serious as Sabonis, he'll eclipse him maybe even as early as next season. That slow physical transformation really gave Sabonis a bit of an edge he needed. Sengun can definitely use that edge.

Green I think has much better potential than Fox. I understand that Fox is peaking and having an incredible season, however I also remember everything that was said about him at the start of his career:

- Not a winning player, poor shot selection
- Too weak and small, doesn't look like he can put on muscle
- No defense at all so without size and triple double potential, his ceiling is very limited

It's amazing what some good coaching can do. Fox started off putting on muscle, then he improved his 3pt shot slowly, then he started making more winning plays, then only in the latter half of this season onwards he started giving effort on defense. He was a terrible defender most of this regular season but like Green you have to give him that it's hard to play defense at the point of attack when the team absolutely sucks as a defensive unit and no one is able to protect the rim yet.

Green is a different player type more like Kobe or MJ or KD. The humongous majority of his future is predicated on defense and unassisted scoring. Bringing up his assist or rebounding numbers is not going to make a difference to his impact much imo if he doesn't improve his defense. Of course that shouldn't stop him from gradually improving his passing and getting more assists.

I'm curious @OremLK why you think the reports about Green are bogus. I assumed the organization leaked this because no coach seeking a HC position is going to F his image up by leaking what he was told in an interview to the public.

 

So Fox wasn't top 20 after 82 game season but now based on six postseason games he is magically top 20? Practice what you preach

Doesn't have anywhere near the speed? He may not ever have the court vision as the PG Fox but by time he reaches Fox age his shot should be plenty wet as long he stays in the gym and keeps his confidence in tact

 

Fox was clearly knocking on the top 20 door by the all star break. The guy is the best clutch player in the nba. He carried his team to the third seed and just went to golden state and forced a game 7 back in Sacramento. This is not based on the playoffs.


It was clear that he was a stud by the all star break.

 

Yeah it only took 5.5 years.

Imagine they traded him 4 years ago because he wasn't a stud, didn't play defense and was a less efficient scorer than Jalen Green his first two seasons. How stupid would that have been, right?

 

I literally don't know whether that Twitter account is more reliable than Yahoo sports. What do I not know about that account's legitimacy? I've seen tweets from there before and people seem to believe it's reliable but I don't know on what basis other than they have been right at some point in the past.

I think it's possible it's fake news. I think it's also possible it's true and they told Jalen it's not who then told Tari. Wouldn't put it past this org, especially if Tilman was in the meetings. Can't deny he has always seemed very two faced, even the other day acting like Daryl begged him not to spend luxury tax lol.

I hope that it's fake news. Would be a monumentally stupid decision to trade him for a vet at this point where his value is likely to be the lowest of his career under Silas and Stone's aggressive tanking regime. Even if you are going to trade him, at least put a better season on his resume and get real value.

These front office guys must think they have nothing to do with the stalled development. The way they f*cked over Silas firing him after he absorbed 3 seasons of losing on a blank coaching record (don't get me wrong, I'm glad we moved on, but it was a dirty move nonetheless) tells me a lot about their identity.