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  1. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Member

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    Yup, it is in fact from NASA. You may not know how science works, but someone submitting a random chart to researchgate isn't science. You can do that yourself. Then maybe some random person on a bbs can also share that as fact.


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    https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/pia25775-30-years-of-sea-level-rise
     
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    New York set to pass first statewide law banning gas in new construction
    The ban on natural gas hookups would take effect in 2026 for residences under seven stories, say climate advocates. It would apply to taller buildings by 2029.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/04/27/new-york-natural-gas-ban/

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    New York is on the cusp of becoming the first state in the nation to pass a law banning natural gas in most new buildings, according to a handshake agreement that Gov. Kathy Hochul (D) announced she and state lawmakers had reached late Thursday.

    The law would effectively require that most new buildings go all-electric, jettisoning fossil-fuel-burning appliances in favor of heat pumps and induction stoves for heating and cooking. It is part of a national movement, led by climate advocates, to cut greenhouse gas emissions from homes and businesses by ridding buildings of natural gas, heating oil and propane.

    The deal follows weeks of negotiations over a slew of nonfiscal measures included in the New York state budget, which was delayed over disagreements between the governor and the Democrat-led legislature over bail and housing policy. Though its exact terms have not been made public, environmental advocates said the gas ban would take effect in 2026 for most new buildings under seven stories and in 2029 for taller buildings — the timeline the governor had sought.

    While some states have used their building codes to restrict natural gas hookups, New York would be the first to apply the ban in state law. Washington was the first to use its building code to mandate all-electric space heating and cooling in new buildings — a step that effectively requires developers to install electric heat pumps. California has also used its building code to encourage electrification.

    Gas ban supporters said the state’s agreement is modeled on a law New York City passed two years ago, when it became the largest U.S. city to prohibit gas heat and stoves in new buildings. Dozens of others cities have enacted variations of this measure around the country, beginning on the West Coast in Berkeley, Calif., and spreading to larger cities like San Francisco, Seattle and Washington D.C.

    In New York, supporters hope the move could be a bellwether moment for the electrification movement, given the state’s size and its influence on real estate trends nationally.
    more at the link

     
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    Climate activists who do stuff like this should be sent to GUANTANAMO bay and have the keys thrown away
     
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    Catch someone on the wrong day and you could get killed doing something like that. As the first women said that’s the wrong way to go about getting your message out. Doing something positive to get the message out not this.
     
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    It makes me so mad because right now there's over 30 billion dollars allocated to tribes and local governments to help fight climate change. These ghouls could be going around helping tribes and low income communities apply and get real money in their hands to make a difference.

    Why make a real difference when you can grift and fundraise off garbage like this. The left and right have insane activists
     
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    Berlin has been shut down like almost every other day because of these idiots recently.

    Woke.

    By the way, do a bit of research and look at who funds these useful idiots...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letzte_Generation#:~:text=before the start.-,Funding,Fund in the United States.

    https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/climate-emergency-fund/#:~:text=Climate Emergency Fund is an,van Gogh's 1888 masterpiece Sunflowers.

    https://www.lemonde.fr/en/environme...l-activists-dramatic-actions_6002800_114.html
     
  10. rocketsjudoka

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    One problem with this move from a climate change side is that replacing gas with electric for heating is that unless there is a significant increase in green electrical generation this might not lead a major reduction in greenhouse gases.

    As an architect I think 2026 is probably too fast of a transition but I do think there are sound reasons besides climate change to do so. I was just dealing with this today regarding gas hookups to a building I’m renovating. Gas lines are a major concern for fire and othe health dangers. If we can go to electric that could be an improvement in building safety.
     
  11. rocketsjudoka

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    Acid rain was a real phenomena. A big reason why it or the Ozone layer aren’t that big issues now is because government regulation and new technologies reduced the amount of sulfur emitted greatly reducing acid rain and the banning of CFC’s have improved the situation with the Ozone layer.

    Those two are examples that wide scale change or a human caused environmental problem can be addressed and do so without destroying our industrial economy.
     
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    We should address challenges through innovation and technological progress (with competition in a free market to come up with the best solutions) rather than with more communism. A lot of the "climate agenda" has been hijacked by radical socialists.
     
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    I feel like a lot of your aptitude for concern has been hijacked by reactionary propaganda, labels, and derogatory stereotypes.
     
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    Do you support people gluing themselves to the street and block traffic to "fight for climate change"?
     
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    Youre describing what the Biden agenda is. They have 30 billion dollars allocated to the loan office to give money to start up tech climate firms and other start ups with innovative technology. They've given money to quite a few wall street start ups and they've gotten 86% return rate. This sort of injection was what allowed Tesla to survive after almost going bankrupt in 2010. These hundreads of firms that the DOE is loaning right now will be our unicorns in a few decades....

    America isnt forcing climate change on anyone but they're making it so cheap that you have to switch. Biden just approved the largest oil project ever in Alaska while at the same time spending hundreads of billions on manufacturing solar and wind here in America. Im not sure if you know but you can now get 30% off solar and developers can get up to 60% off.

    Its good to see that youre endorsing biden climate plan.
     
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    I wish getting a solar roof were more incentivized in Florida. The prices are pretty insane. I would have to front like 350k. Yeah, there is some tax credit, but...

    I'll do it anyway, eventually, even if it doesn't make financial sense. I like the idea of being in control of all the energy we consume, being independent from the grid.

    I'll just give the current roof a couple more years. It would probably be good for another 10-15 years.
     
  17. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    But but but can I just use made up charts a 5 year old did to prove my point?
     
  18. FranchiseBlade

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    Probably not. But more importantly, I'm not going to label every single person with a legitimate concern about climate change as an extremist idiot, because I saw a YouTube about a person gluing themselves to the street. And if, momentarily, I did consider that all people concerned about climate change are like that or fooled by them, I wouldn't let a Tiktok of someone else doing something crazy for climate change confirm (in my mind) that erroneous idea.
     
  19. Colt45

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    Yeah, we KNOW. :rolleyes:
     
  20. rocketsjudoka

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    Yes I’m all for innovation and technological progress I’ve mentioned here several times that my own work deals with that and I tout the economic benefits of using “green technology.”

    There is though a place for this given that the technologies aren’t cheap to develop and take time. The quarterly profit cycle isn’t very encouraging for developments that will take a large R&D time and budget. This is where governments can play a role through encouraging development. Also government need to deal with the externalities of pollution and issues like the commons.

    As noted with acid rain it was a combination of private innovation and government action that largely solved it. The same with things such as the smog of London or the pollution of the Great Lakes.

    I agree government shouldn’t be the only or primary solution but neither should private business.
     
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