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Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by gucci888, Sep 26, 2022.

  1. cmoak1982

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    Strouds is Goff, you want that?
     
  2. J.R.

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    https://bleacherreport.com/articles...-no-2-a-mild-surprise-in-nfl-latest-on-texans

    Will Levis emerging as a possible favorite to go No. 2 to the Houston Texans in the 2023 NFL draft was met with "mild surprise" around the league, according to ESPN's Jeremy Fowler.

    "But I did ask around on Houston and Levis and that potential marriage," Fowler said Sunday on SportsCenter. "I was told that his predraft meeting with the team did go very well, it was positive from all that I've heard. And then also, it was pointed out to me that Levis and GM Nick Caserio both very similar personalities, both considered 'serious.'"

    There's a growing sense of uncertainty surrounding the Texans. For most of the predraft process, the general belief was that Houston would select Alabama's Bryce Young or Ohio State's C.J. Stroud depending on which of the two was available.

    But The Athletic's Dane Brugler reported on April 17 that "there isn't a unanimous belief among the Houston coaches" about one quarterback being good enough for the No. 2 pick.

    Another curveball came when Levis emerged as the betting favorite to go second overall at one major sportsbook.

    Fowler reported that "Houston's been open to trading back," so the Texans might feel they can move down a few spots and still land Levis or wait for him to fall to No. 12.

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    Rappaport was also reporting this time last year that Malik Willis was a sure fire 1st round pick and the 1st QB coming off the board.

    Right now, Caserio is not letting anything leak. The media is starting to show their agitation at him.
     
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  4. tmacfor35

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    I am using your "Draft Analysis" Comp pick.

    The same guy said Dak was Stroud's pick.

    Would much rather have Dak then Tannehill personally and so would every NFL GM.
     
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    Would rather have the top defensive player than taking either Dak or Tannehill with the 2nd pick.
     
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  6. Housport

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    tmac, I agree with you when you said Stroud is accurate and a ball placement specialist. When Stroud has a clean pocket and the time to throw, he is really good. When I watched the Northwestern game and the defense continued to change it's looks and were able to put pressure on Stroud, he was really confused and erratic. The Northwestern game near the end of the season laid out the groundwork on how to beat Stroud. Ohio State still won the game despite Stroud having a really poor game. If the Texans drafted Stroud, then they would also need to have an all offense draft this year. They would need to draft interior lineman, tight ends, and Wide receivers high in the draft and to make sure Stroud has the time to throw. I doubt the Texans will do that because they also have one of the worst defensives in the league.
     
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  7. cmoak1982

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    Majority think Stroud is Goff.
    Levis will be better than Tannehill and Tannehill best seasons were better than any season Dak had.
    When I get time I’ll show you the other breakdown that shows the metrics. Levis is better than Stroud
     
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  9. tmacfor35

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    The Texans added some quality players this offseason on the defensive side of the ball.

    There biggest need is Edge, WR(really any pass catching options), QB

    I would absolutely love some version of all 3 being picked in the first 3 picks.

    It's going to be much easier to get Marvin Harrison Jr., Brock Bowers, or the best edge available next year in a trade up than it would a QB next year.

    Hoping "THE" Qb is what the focus will be early.

    That is kind of where my heads at.

    CJ played bad against NW compared to his baseline. Also something to take in to context of course below where I quoted the coach post game.

    He had several first down run's this game to show he is more than capable of running RPO looks.

    “I’ve never been around conditions like this,” head coach Ryan Day said after the game. “I don’t know what the numbers show, but there must have been 30-mile-per-hour winds. If you’ve ever tried playing golf in 30-mile-per-hour winds, it’s hard to get off the tee, forget throwing a football.”
     
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  10. J.R.

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    https://sports.yahoo.com/2023-nfl-draft-nfl-comparisons-151502068.html

    Jalen Carter, DL, Georgia: Chris Jones

    C.J. Stroud, QB, Ohio State: Sam Bradford
    We’re talking about the Bradford who would light up NFL fields occasionally with good-not-great velocity, easy movement, and ridiculous ball placement, not the Bradford who unfortunately couldn’t stay healthy. The No. 1 overall pick in the 2010 draft by the Rams out of Oklahoma, Bradford had a cool demeanor on the field, surprising mobility, ridiculous ball location, and an arm that was good enough to get everything done. In those cases, he was very much what Stroud is now.

    Bryce Young, QB, Alabama: Deshaun Watson
    Of course, we’re talking about Watson on the field ONLY, and Watson before his off-field stuff affected how things go on the field. When Watson was at his best in his first four seasons, he was running total NFL offenses to a very high degree, and his relatively slight stature (6-foot 2, 215 pounds) didn’t factor into it. It’s tough to remember that Deshaun Watson, but if you can, you can superimpose a lot of what that Deshaun Watson did on the field at a very high level.

    Devon Witherspoon, CB, Illinois: Sam Madison

    Will Anderson Jr., EDGE, Alabama: T.J. Watt
    The Steelers selected J.J. Watt’s younger brother with the 30th pick in the 2017 draft because Watt had just one full season of production to project to the next level. But Watt has become an absolute terror on the outside because of his technical palette, gap-moving athleticism, quickness to the pocket, and speed/power conversions. It is not unreasonable to assume that Anderson will have a similar level of success.

    Bijan Robinson, RB, Texas: Josh Jacobs
    Christian Gonzalez, CB, Oregon: Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
    Zay Flowers, WR, Boston College: T.Y. Hilton

    Tyree Wilson, EDGE, Texas Tech: Jason Pierre-Paul
    The Giants selected Pierre-Paul out of USF with the 15th pick in the 2010 draft despite the fact that Pierre-Paul was quite raw, because his tools were off the charts. Sound familiar? Well, it took Pierre-Paul exactly one season to blow up in the NFL’s face, with a 17-sack, 72-pressure season in 2011 in which he was just about unblockable from anywhere in Big Blue’s fronts. I would not be at all surprised if Wilson was able to make the same jump.

    Jaxon Smith-Njigba, WR, Ohio State: Cooper Kupp
    The Rams stole Kupp in the third round of the 2017 draft out of Eastern Washington, and Kupp made it clear pretty quickly that he was going to define Sean McVay’s passing game, regardless of the quarterback, with his route precision, his awareness of defenders around him, and his ability to move away from them despite decent (but not amazing) straight-speed. The NFL team adding Smith-Njigba to its roster will benefit from all of this at a very high level.

    Calijah Kancey, DL, Pitt: Grady Jarrett
    Darnell Wright, OT, Tennessee: Kareem McKenzie
    Brian Branch, DB, Alabama: Minkah Fitzpatrick
    Joey Porter Jr., CB, Penn State: Jaycee Horn
    Broderick Jones, OL, Georgia: Joel Bitonio
    Bryan Bresee, DL, Clemson: Darnell Dockett

    Anthony Richardson, QB, Florida: Colin Kaepernick
    The comps to Cam Newton are widespread and understandable, but Newton came out of college with a more refined sense of touch and differing velocities. Kaepernick, who presented an equivalent running threat in his prime as an NFL quarterback, was also a 95-MPH pitcher at one time, and just about everything was a fastball with Kaepernick when he had a football in his hand. But when Kaepernick had it going on, he destroyed defenses with his running ability, and those fastballs had a lot of opponents on edge more often than not.

    Paris Johnson Jr., OT, Ohio State: D'Brickashaw Ferguson
    Dalton Kincaid, TE, Utah: Travis Kelce
    Peter Skoronski, OL, Northwestern: Zack Martin
    Deonte Banks, CB, Maryland: Jamel Dean
    Nolan Smith, EDGE, Georgia: Haason Reddick
    Jordan Addison, WR, USC: Tyler Lockett
    Myles Murphy, DL, Clemson: Rashan Gary
    Sydney Brown, S, Illinois: Amani Hooker
    John Michael Schmitz, C, Minnesota: Alex Mack
    Luke Musgrave, TE, Oregon State: Darren Waller
    Jalin Hyatt, WR, Tennessee: DeSean Jackson
    Anton Harrison, OT, Oklahoma: David Bakhtiari
    Trenton Simpson, LB, Clemson: Dre Greenlaw
    Jahmyr Gibbs, RB, Alabama: Alvin Kamara
    Keion White, DL, Georgia Tech: Denico Autry
    Antonio Johnson Jr., S, Texas A&M: Kyle Dugger
    Cam Smith, CB, South Carolina: Derek Cox
    Will McDonald IV, EDGE, Iowa State: Robert Quinn

    Hendon Hooker, QB, Tennessee: Geno Smith
    It took Smith a long time to succeed at the NFL level for multiple reasons, but when he finally caught on all the way with the Seahawks, he combined athleticism, accuracy, velocity to the second and third levels, and leadership attributes to make himself into a franchise quarterback. Smith also had to adjust to the NFL from his college offense, and while that’s also the case for Hooker coming out of Josh Heupel’s Air Raid/veer system, Hooker has already shown enough to make his NFL graduation relatively seamless.

    Lukas Van Ness, EDGE, Iowa: George Karlaftis
    Quentin Johnston, WR, TCU: Tee Higgins
    Michael Mayer, TE, Notre Dame: Jason Witten
    O'Cyrus Torrence, OG, Florida: Mike Iupati
    Jack Campbell, LB, Iowa: Karlos Dansby

    Will Levis, QB, Kentucky: Carson Wentz
    Like Wentz, who was selected with the second overall pick in the 2016 draft out of North Dakota State, Levis brings a compelling bag of attributes that look good on their face until you dig underneath. Wentz has played at an MVP level when he operated very specifically in a defined offense with the Eagles, and he’s been mystery meat ever since in a variety of systems. Quarterbacks like Wentz and Levis, whose athletic traits pop off the tape, are always attractive until it’s time to successfully operate outside of structure, and then you just never know what you’re going to get. Not a great thing for the game’s most important position.

    DJ Turner, CB, Michigan: Johnathan Joseph
    Siaki Ika, DT, Baylor: Vita Vea
    Josh Downs, WR, North Carolina: Travis Benjamin
    Clark Phillips III, CB, Utah: Mike Hilton
    Drew Sanders, LB/EDGE, Arkansas: Connor Barwin
    Cedric Tillman, WR, Tennessee: Eric Decker
    Dawand Jones, OT, Ohio State: Orlando Brown, Jr.
    Tuli Tuipulotu, EDGE, USC: Adewale Ogunleye
     
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    I've looked at every NFL Mock Draft and I haven't seen one that has Levis higher than Stroud but the fact that the Texans are considering drafting Levis over Stroud says a lot about the GM.

    However, he did draft Stingley over Sauce last yr, so should we be surprised?
     
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    I mean, you have tagged multiple people who have no NFL experience as if there breakdowns are in any way good.

    Lets look at guys who have played the position in the NFL and know what it takes.







     
  14. Fulgore

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    I think the Levis talk is all smoke. Only thing he does better than stroud is run faster
     
  15. CRJ713

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    Carolina isn’t picking BY. They will pick CJ Stroud. All this pandering is just to pry HOUSTON to trade up.
     
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  16. Fulgore

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    I think the Levis talk is all smoke. Only thing he does better than stroud is run faster
     
  17. tmacfor35

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    Well, he does have bigger biceps. Let's give him more credit.

    Gives Tim Tebow a run for his money there. Brady Quinn had some solid guns too.
     
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    Would be crazy, wouldn't it.

    Then all the Houston fans would be happy.
     
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    Yep, this was an ownership decision. Are you surprised Cal screwed the decision up. All he had to do was order Driskell to be the QB against the Colts and make Mills inactive.

    Personally I'm glad they won the game because I don't believe in outliers.
     
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    Yep, this was an ownership decision. Are you surprised Cal screwed the decision up. All he had to do was order Driskell to be the QB against the Colts and make Mills inactive.

    Personally I'm glad they won the game because I don't believe in outliers.
    Same things were said about Mahomes and Allen.
     
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