Here is a gender reassignment case that was an abuse (by a psychologist). It's a case of severe gender dysphoria, but this time, not one created by nature but the doctors. Very sad but also very interesting. David Reimer and John Money Gender Reassignment Controversy: The John/Joan Case | The Embryo Project Encyclopedia (asu.edu)
Children want lots of things and are many times made to want lots of things that aren't right for them. At the end of the day, it's the adults, the parents and so-called experts, that make the decisions. They're the ones that are supposed to know better.
Children wanting a sex change isn’t one of those “lots of things”. It’s a desperation thing. The parent likely pushed back as much as possible. This isn’t a situation where parents want to put their children through. It’s fking painful for any family to go through with something like this.
Dude they do want the children because they can’t produce any This is fact You can only convert them like the Mormon brehs but they don’t ask you to chop off your nuts @ROXRAN
Who's being presumptuous? I stated a fact that adults make those decisions for children. Now, how do you know it's a desperation thing? Couldn't it be a trauma thing? How do you know parents likely pushed back hard? Any pushback is increasingly frowned upon to the point that some parents can now lose custody for not supporting transitions. How do you know parents don't want to put their children through this? All parents put their children through all kinds of crap all the time. Not all parents do this, but think of those parents who deliberately keep their children sick for sympathy or whatever. What's to stop them from this when it's even cool to have a transgender child nowadays? Finally, how do you know how painful it is to go through something like that? I actually agree because when a child transitions it is like their death, with a rebirth, but a death nonetheless. However, people are being forced to see this differently and mourning instead of celebrating this transition is no longer correct. For real, for real. And he said that I was presumptuous.
You are being presumptuous. You’re presuming many things that we don’t know about. We don’t know this family situation we, we don’t know this child. Yet you seem to be saying g definitively you know better than this family.
You implied that adults make decisions about their children's gender identity without their input or against their wishes, but this assumption is presumptuous and doesn't make sense. If that wasn't your intention, I apologize for misunderstanding. I loosely used the term "desperation" when referring to the deep pain experienced by transgender individuals. What causes this pain is complex and better left to those with specialized knowlege and expertise. As parents, we want our children to be happy and healthy. This is a universal truth, with rare exceptions. However, parents may struggle to support their children's gender identity if it conflicts with their own understanding of gender or if they have concerns about the risks of medical interventions. In some cases, parental disagreement can result in a custody battle, as we saw in the case you mentioned (I believe that was custody fight between divorced parent). But it's important to note that this is not the norm, and the government does not take custody of children simply because their parents don't support their transition. I agree that the extreme cases of abusive parenting, as in the movie "The Sixth Sense", are rare and should be punished. However, we shouldn't let these rare cases overshadow the vast majority of parents who want the best for their children, even if it means accepting their gender identity. Your statement that "it's even cool to have a transgender child nowadays" is offensive and dismissive of the very real struggles faced by transgender individuals. Gender dysphoria is a deeply painful experience, and transgender individuals often face discrimination, harassment, and violence. The fact that more parents are accepting and supporting their transgender children is a positive step towards a more inclusive and compassionate society. These parents are not making decisions lightly or without thought for their children's well-being; they are responding to the needs and desires of their children, who are the experts on their own experiences. I know it's painful through some of their stories and the statistics of high rates of suicidal ideation and psychological problems among transgender folks. I believe the high rates of suicide and psychological distress among transgender individuals are not caused by their own identities, but by societal prejudice and discrimination. By creating a more accepting and supportive environment for transgender individuals, we can help reduce the harm and suffering that they experience. This is not about being "cool" or following a trend, but about recognizing the inherent value and dignity of every person, regardless of their gender identity.
All you’re doing is imposing. That’s what you’re saying in your post. You want to impose your views because you value reproduction and think whether people want to or not they should. In this particular situation would you prefer a child that feels they are so uncomfortable in their own body they suicide is an option rather than allow them to engage in gender modification? Last I checked if someone kills themselves they aren’t going to be able to reproduce either.
I get the feeling that many of those arguing this have very little experience with trans people. The ones that I’ve met and gotten to know have gone through a lot of pain and rejection. We had a trans person here on Clutchfans who expressed those feelings including feeling suicidal because of rejection by her family. This idea, that being trans is now cool and widely acceptable is countered by the fact that we have these very threads. It’s a false narrative being pumped by ideological rhetoric and pushed for ideological reasons.
For those who believe that gender dysphoria is a choice or learned behavior, consider this tragic case. This is an unfortunate example of a family, with the guidance of an unethical psychologist, deciding on a sex change operation for their child after a botched circumcision. The individual grew up as a woman and experienced severe gender dysphoria, psychological problems, and eventually took their own life. Nature too can be wrong and end up causing gender dysphoria.
I believe that some people have an unfounded fear that being transgender is contagious or can be passed on to others. However, this is not true. Gender identity is not learned but rather an innate aspect of a person's being. Transgender individuals are born with their gender identity, and it cannot be taught or transmitted to others. I think that this, rather than hatred towards transgender people, is what causes some good people to fear greater acceptance of transgender individuals.
You keep saying "oh, it's what the child really wants". That's the same argument a statutory rapist would make. Children cannot legally consent to certain things for good reason. You know, like having sex, or having their genitals cut off.
It might feel like I am imposing - because I am making you doubt yourself, perhaps - but I am not forcing anything on you. You are free to believe what you want. You're not imposing anything on me either, just sharing your perspective as I am. Again, I don't vote nor do I get involved in the debates about who to support in politics anywhere. I didn't know we were talking about a particular child. In any case, if someone is feeling suicidal for whatever reason they should overcome whatever trauma has caused them to feel suicidal and find peace within themselves. At the end of the day, modifying their gender - really, mutilating their bodies - will never lead to peace because they will never be who they weren't born to be. In their heart of hearts, they and we all know that. Those people are in therapy and on drugs their entire lives after their surgeries because modifying their bodies only covered up a trauma, it did not address the trauma that caused them to wish they were someone else in the first place. It's also the reason why those people cannot handle anyone disagreeing with them or not accepting them. The disagreement and unacceptance remind them that they are wrong. If they were right, they wouldn't need anyone to agree with them or accept them.
There are people here sending 3-6 hours per week discussing this subject when there are 200x more incidents of teenage girls who aren't adults getting breast augmentations. But I'm sure you appreciate that. From the disproportionate concentration of this when there are more easily available examples of children being "mutilated" and the whole bud light outrage of an ad campaign for people over 21 tells me that the concern has nothing to do with children. There is no concern. There is a desire. And the desire is to remove the existence of the concept of "transgender". That's it. And the pattern of behavior from people like you show this rather clearly. How many posts have you shown outrage over the SBC scandal? Or the hundreds of child beauty pageants that happen ever year in conservative suburban households?
You think the concept of breast augmentation is anything remotely similar? bro that’s profound stupidity , taking any personal views I have outside the topic
Your absolute statement goes against the standards of care for gender dysphoria, which sometimes involve hormone therapy and/or surgery. Such conviction and disregard for experts in the field can be incredibly harmful. Discrimination, prejudice, and hate are not simply disagreements. People who experience these behaviors en mass will undoubtedly suffer, and it is due to the transphobia directed towards them, not who they are. By blaming the victim as "wrong" and excusing discrimination and prejudice against transgender people, you are treating them in a similar way to how racists have treated Black people. It's incredibly ugly.
